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Is it ethical to apply for a job on someone's behalf?



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My partner is at a stage in their life where they need to enter the world of work, but they don't know what type of job they want nor do they have the drive to make their mind up and search and apply independently. She is quite content to spend the rest of her life on the couch watching TV.



Moreover, she's dropped out of higher education multiple times. This means that the student finance system is unwilling to pay for her education. She's expressed an interest in studying for a masters degree, but can't articulate why or what subject even if there were funding available.



Potential solutions



I've tried suggesting a number of areas where she could work. There are entry level marketing, finance and legal opportunities within a short commute that I think will be a suitable fit. She doesn't follow up on these suggestions, principally due to laziness.



I could just leave her to her own devices, but she will just rot on the couch for the rest of her life. If that's the choice she makes, then we're highly likely to break up.



Question



All of this has led me to the unconventional suggestion of applying for jobs on her behalf. The applications I intend to make will be accurate representations of her skills and qualifications.



My question is, is it ethical to apply for jobs on a partner's behalf?










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    If your partner can't be bothered to apply to jobs herself, why would she be bothered to go to the interview/work the job? This sounds like less of a workplace question, and more of ar elationship one..

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    Quite a big detail missing, have you told her you're going to do it?

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    Are you imagining that the application is the sole obstacle for her, and that doing this on her behalf will motivate her? Seems unlikely.

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    Any chance your partner is depressed or suffering from some other underlying condition that needs to be treated so she can get motivation back? Has there been some change in her behavior in the time you've known her?

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    You might want to check out interpersonal.stackexchange.com

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Background



My partner is at a stage in their life where they need to enter the world of work, but they don't know what type of job they want nor do they have the drive to make their mind up and search and apply independently. She is quite content to spend the rest of her life on the couch watching TV.



Moreover, she's dropped out of higher education multiple times. This means that the student finance system is unwilling to pay for her education. She's expressed an interest in studying for a masters degree, but can't articulate why or what subject even if there were funding available.



Potential solutions



I've tried suggesting a number of areas where she could work. There are entry level marketing, finance and legal opportunities within a short commute that I think will be a suitable fit. She doesn't follow up on these suggestions, principally due to laziness.



I could just leave her to her own devices, but she will just rot on the couch for the rest of her life. If that's the choice she makes, then we're highly likely to break up.



Question



All of this has led me to the unconventional suggestion of applying for jobs on her behalf. The applications I intend to make will be accurate representations of her skills and qualifications.



My question is, is it ethical to apply for jobs on a partner's behalf?










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    If your partner can't be bothered to apply to jobs herself, why would she be bothered to go to the interview/work the job? This sounds like less of a workplace question, and more of ar elationship one..

    – Jay Gould
    yesterday






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    Quite a big detail missing, have you told her you're going to do it?

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    Are you imagining that the application is the sole obstacle for her, and that doing this on her behalf will motivate her? Seems unlikely.

    – Joe Strazzere
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    Any chance your partner is depressed or suffering from some other underlying condition that needs to be treated so she can get motivation back? Has there been some change in her behavior in the time you've known her?

    – DaveG
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    You might want to check out interpersonal.stackexchange.com

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Background



My partner is at a stage in their life where they need to enter the world of work, but they don't know what type of job they want nor do they have the drive to make their mind up and search and apply independently. She is quite content to spend the rest of her life on the couch watching TV.



Moreover, she's dropped out of higher education multiple times. This means that the student finance system is unwilling to pay for her education. She's expressed an interest in studying for a masters degree, but can't articulate why or what subject even if there were funding available.



Potential solutions



I've tried suggesting a number of areas where she could work. There are entry level marketing, finance and legal opportunities within a short commute that I think will be a suitable fit. She doesn't follow up on these suggestions, principally due to laziness.



I could just leave her to her own devices, but she will just rot on the couch for the rest of her life. If that's the choice she makes, then we're highly likely to break up.



Question



All of this has led me to the unconventional suggestion of applying for jobs on her behalf. The applications I intend to make will be accurate representations of her skills and qualifications.



My question is, is it ethical to apply for jobs on a partner's behalf?










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Background



My partner is at a stage in their life where they need to enter the world of work, but they don't know what type of job they want nor do they have the drive to make their mind up and search and apply independently. She is quite content to spend the rest of her life on the couch watching TV.



Moreover, she's dropped out of higher education multiple times. This means that the student finance system is unwilling to pay for her education. She's expressed an interest in studying for a masters degree, but can't articulate why or what subject even if there were funding available.



Potential solutions



I've tried suggesting a number of areas where she could work. There are entry level marketing, finance and legal opportunities within a short commute that I think will be a suitable fit. She doesn't follow up on these suggestions, principally due to laziness.



I could just leave her to her own devices, but she will just rot on the couch for the rest of her life. If that's the choice she makes, then we're highly likely to break up.



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All of this has led me to the unconventional suggestion of applying for jobs on her behalf. The applications I intend to make will be accurate representations of her skills and qualifications.



My question is, is it ethical to apply for jobs on a partner's behalf?







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  • 153





    If your partner can't be bothered to apply to jobs herself, why would she be bothered to go to the interview/work the job? This sounds like less of a workplace question, and more of ar elationship one..

    – Jay Gould
    yesterday






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    Quite a big detail missing, have you told her you're going to do it?

    – DubDub
    yesterday








  • 55





    Are you imagining that the application is the sole obstacle for her, and that doing this on her behalf will motivate her? Seems unlikely.

    – Joe Strazzere
    yesterday






  • 55





    Any chance your partner is depressed or suffering from some other underlying condition that needs to be treated so she can get motivation back? Has there been some change in her behavior in the time you've known her?

    – DaveG
    yesterday






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    You might want to check out interpersonal.stackexchange.com

    – Martijn
    23 hours ago














  • 153





    If your partner can't be bothered to apply to jobs herself, why would she be bothered to go to the interview/work the job? This sounds like less of a workplace question, and more of ar elationship one..

    – Jay Gould
    yesterday






  • 53





    Quite a big detail missing, have you told her you're going to do it?

    – DubDub
    yesterday








  • 55





    Are you imagining that the application is the sole obstacle for her, and that doing this on her behalf will motivate her? Seems unlikely.

    – Joe Strazzere
    yesterday






  • 55





    Any chance your partner is depressed or suffering from some other underlying condition that needs to be treated so she can get motivation back? Has there been some change in her behavior in the time you've known her?

    – DaveG
    yesterday






  • 35





    You might want to check out interpersonal.stackexchange.com

    – Martijn
    23 hours ago








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153





If your partner can't be bothered to apply to jobs herself, why would she be bothered to go to the interview/work the job? This sounds like less of a workplace question, and more of ar elationship one..

– Jay Gould
yesterday





If your partner can't be bothered to apply to jobs herself, why would she be bothered to go to the interview/work the job? This sounds like less of a workplace question, and more of ar elationship one..

– Jay Gould
yesterday




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Quite a big detail missing, have you told her you're going to do it?

– DubDub
yesterday







Quite a big detail missing, have you told her you're going to do it?

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yesterday






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Are you imagining that the application is the sole obstacle for her, and that doing this on her behalf will motivate her? Seems unlikely.

– Joe Strazzere
yesterday





Are you imagining that the application is the sole obstacle for her, and that doing this on her behalf will motivate her? Seems unlikely.

– Joe Strazzere
yesterday




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Any chance your partner is depressed or suffering from some other underlying condition that needs to be treated so she can get motivation back? Has there been some change in her behavior in the time you've known her?

– DaveG
yesterday





Any chance your partner is depressed or suffering from some other underlying condition that needs to be treated so she can get motivation back? Has there been some change in her behavior in the time you've known her?

– DaveG
yesterday




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I'd say highly unlikely. You wrote:




she will just rot on the couch for the rest of her life




if left to her own devices. That clearly shows she does not want to get a job. Job application says she wants to get a job. Thus, any application would be a lie on that single most important point.



If you'll apply for her, you will be lying and wasting resources of innocent company and people - how could this ever be ethical?



If you want to "help" her, you need to change her attitude and her wants. I'm not a specialist in that matter. If you are not one, either, you may suggest her seeing one. Therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists can really do wonders these days.






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    While I upvoted this for the part about how it wouldn't be ethical, since OP would be lying and wasting resources (not to mention your own time and effort), I disagree with the statement "you need to change her attitude and her wants". While OP may have some influence on her, OP cannot directly change her. While therapists, psychologists, etc. can certainly help, OP can't make her go to them either.

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    @zarose I meant that without such changes she won't have a job. I didn't meant it's easy or even possible. If it's depression it probably is treatable, for example. Who knows?..

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  • That being said, there's a difference between doing something for someone and getting them started. To extend the "teach a man to fish" analogy, you're probably still going to be catching a fish yourself while you're showing him why having a fishing rod is useful, which happens before the man actively wants to catch his own fish. Similarly, it's not wrong to send an application (with her consent and (at least passive) participation!) to show her the ins and outs of job applications. But it should be a kickstart, not a recurring task you do for her.

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  • While I mostly agree, I would have one amendment: If she is just depressed, unmotivated to write applications, e.g. overwhelmed by the uncertainty what she should write and to which company, I'd say it might help to help her write the applications, sort out promising jobs in dialogue with her, then write up her CV and an application letter etc, BUT she needs to have the final say. It needs to be her that sends it in and she needs to be willing to take that job and see the interview process through. Maybe she just needs a little jump start like that. [cont]

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  • while indeed your assessment seems valid, that would be the only level of support that would seem remotely appropriate (imho). And if it doesn't work, the only way out is for her to change her mind - and perhaps seek the help of a psychologist like you suggest. Feel free to incorporate or not.

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I would say that depends on how involved you are planning to get. If you are simply helping her construct a resume and sending it out on her behalf I don't think anyone could find fault with that.



It is a different matter if you are writing application letters on her behalf. The way that a person writes and structures such letters go a long way in informing a potential employer about the personality of the applicant. So not only are the ethics of someone other than the applicant writing an application letter questionable. It could also negatively impact any interview she gets because of your application.






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    "I don't think anyone could find fault with that." I can imagine at least one person in the stated scenario who is highly likely to find fault with that.

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    Application letters are pretty formulaic, many people just copy templates. And if you're applying through the employer's online offer site, you might not even send a letter, just upload your resume.

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    @ceejayoz I think the key phrase there is "helping her." If you're helping by doing the activity together, it's hard to see any problem there. If you're helping by just doing it while she's on the couch entirely uninvolved, then yes, there is fault to be found with that process.

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While not exactly on a par with things like stealing this is certainly unethical. When a company receives a job application there's a non-zero amount of effort that goes in to evaluating that application, and they're going to be doing that on the basis that the application is in good faith. What you're proposing to do is at best a misrepresentation - the purported applicant has never applied so it's fundamentally dishonest to begin with. I can only speak for myself but I for one find expecting candidates to have the necessary work ethic to actually be bothered to apply for the job in the first place to be something of a bare minimum. Your proxied applications may be an accurate representation of her skills and qualifications but they aren't an accurate representation of her as a person.



Now pragmatically this may be a non-issue if the "applicant" was likely to pick up the baton of the hiring process and run with it but from everything you have said in your post (and I'm sorry if this sounds harsh) I can't see that happening. And if she doesn't follow up on the application (say she gets an interview and just doesn't go) then congratulations you've just wasted everybody's time, including your own.



PS: As a somewhat off topic tangent for Workplace SE - spoon-feeding lazy people rarely makes them less lazy. All you are doing is reinforcing the behavior.






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    +1 for the last sentence.

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Unless you have her consent, you should not be applying to any jobs on her behalf. You may have the best intentions, but part of entering the world of work is being independent and responsible for yourself. Those are two traits that she will not pick up if you do all the work for her.



Another thing is that doing things on her behalf without her consent can hurt your relationship. I know someone who applied and interviewed for a position but the company was slow to respond after the interview. His girlfriend without telling him then started to apply on his behalf to other companies. He did land the job with the original company but after he started working he was being contacted by the companies that his girlfriend had applied to. He was not happy at all with what she did and they split up because of it.






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    Tl;dr: you're asking the wrong question. Don't do this, instead, help motivate her to do it.





    It sounds like you don't need to ask the question about whether or not it's "ethical" to apply for a job on her behalf, and should not even do that to begin with, but should probably head over to Interpersonal Skills and see if a question over there, on how you might help motivate her to change her behavior to be more productive, would be a good fit.



    This isn't a question of applying on the jobs — you know she wants to sit on the couch and watch TV all day, this is a question of motivating her to do something different (if that's at all appropriate, I'm not validating it one way or another here).



    If you want her to get a job, start a career, or go back to school, you'll need to help motivate her to do it. I had the same problem with my SO (she wanted to sit and watch TV all day as well), so I took steps to motivate her to find something she enjoys (she likes science and math reasonably well, so we went that direction) and we started working on that. Now she wants to continue that direction.



    You'll need to take some similar steps here, but keep in mind, your goal is not to:





    1. DO NOT: Boss her around: don't tell her she needs to do <X>;


    2. DO NOT: Tell her she's "failing": seriously, don't demotivate her, you should try to do the opposite here;


    3. DO NOT: Tell her what to go into: it sounds like she doesn't know what she wants to do, so don't say "you should do ", help her explore and find the appropriate paths;


    I'd head over to Interpersonal Skills and see if you can find some related questions, or see if a question on how to do the aforementioned is on-topic, but you should try to encourage her to change her behaviour, if you truly feel that's the right path.





    I want to end with an example anecdote of how doing exactly this can go spectacularly wrong: in the (seemingly) popular show Parks and Recreation episode The Fight (season 3 episode 13), Leslie Knope submits Ann Perkins name for a job in the Health Department for the city of Pawnee. (The exact same thing you are suggesting here, but for one job.) Upon finding out, Ann Perkins is infuriated, and she and Leslie get into some shenanigans, and end up having a significant fight, and almost part ways permanently. They reconcile later and things go "back to normal", but I don't believe your life is a situational comedic drama, and I would suspect that repairing said damage would be significantly more difficult in the real world.



    Don't do this, seriously.






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      OP should get OP's girlfriend into the doctor for evaluation. Depression can work this way, and if it goes untreated it can get lots worse.

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    is it ethical to apply for jobs on a partner's behalf?




    If by applying you literally mean "sending her CV and cover letter", then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do. If they can do it, you can also do it.



    However, no job is assigned just upon submission of an application. The candidate will have to go through an interview/selection process. There you cannot replace her, both for practical and legal reasons. You don't want to go through the ordeal of explaining why they interviewed a guy with brown beard and now they have a blonde woman at their reception requesting to start her work day.






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      "If they can do it, you can also do it." - but that's a faulty analogy. Recruiting agencies do that for people who want to get a job, and here "candidate" in question wants to sit on the couch. Plus, recruiting agencies disclose they are recruiting agencies, and question does not suggest OP plans to do so or not, so that's an iffy point as well.

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    • @Mołot, but then the candidate will be rejected after the interview or for not even showing up at the interview. That's not a problem of ethic, but about candidate's motivation.

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    • Wasting someone else time and effort to prepare interview that's not going to happen is a matter of ethics.

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      "then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do". Exactly.

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      "If by applying you literally mean "sending her CV and cover letter", then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do." I would imagine that recruiters don't send a cover letter, and if they do, they clearly say that they are a recruiting agency. Sending a cover letter in which one represents that one is the person named in the CV is, I would assume, not something recruiters do, and would be unethical if they did.

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    Next you will be asking if it is ethical to masquerade as her or to hire her cousin to attend the interview. Then if you can do the work for her as well after she is hired.



    Your partner is dysfunctional. And you are her enabler. It is called a codependency spiral.




    Codependency is a behavioral condition in a relationship where one person enables another person's addiction, poor mental health, immaturity, irresponsibility, or under-achievement.




    You do not help dysfunctional people by enabling their dysfunction. You need to break the cycle.



    Give her a reasonable amount of time, say a few weeks, not much more or less. Pick a holiday or a family event or something arbitrary in the calendar and set an ultimatum about some kind of first steps -- and not more college! The institutional enabler.



    If she fails, you cancel the cable. Fails the next one, you pawn the TV. The next one you pawn the couch.



    The final straw is you ask her to leave. If she cannot or will not, you cancel the lease and you leave.



    This is not cruel. This is how you help people. Some people do not respond well to help. But there is no other way. Let's hope your partner responds well. She will thank you some day.






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      Instead of saying "look it up", link an article on the subject. It's more helpful and less arrogant.

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    If this person currently has no inclination to get a job, but to sit on the sofa and live either off your money or off tax-payers money, then anything you can do to change this is ethical.



    Many people get help writing CVs or hire professionals to do it. Nothing wrong with that. I’ve done it for others, and it got them the job. Write the CV, apply for them, and if there is an interview drive them up to the door of the company so they have no excuse. Ring the bell and push them through the door if they need it. Push them as hard as you can and as hard as they need. Either that, or look for another partner.






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      I would like to offer a frame challenge:



      Why should she get a job? Does she actually need one? Why does she need a job?



      There are a lot of people who are willing to live extremely cheaply. Some of these people do not need a job. For someone who is willing to put in the effort, it is possible to feed their self for dozens or hundreds of dollars per year. Personally, I like to buy cheap food in bulk, the best being food that costs less than a half-dollar per pound, and I have augmented that with a vegetable garden. Where I live, water is literally cheaper than dirt; if I recall correctly, I pay less than a penny per gallon of water.



      If she does not need the money, why bother to waste her time acquiring it? If she does not live cheaply and expects you to pay for everything, then next time she wants something tell her you are willing to help her get it by paying for half of it for her.



      However, even if she does not live cheap and expects you to pay for everything, that does not mean there is no value added. My wife has not had an income-generating job in years. We both still consider her to have a job though, just a job at home. Her activities at home, such as managing our supplies, cooking, finding good sales on things, ect., saves us a reasonable amount of money. A dollar saved is a dollar earned. Since you are looking at your relationship financially, you should take into account the value added as well as the finances consumed by her.



      In our case, we have children too. Child care is very expensive here, and we do not trust the child care services anyway because there are too many reports (some confirmed) of child abuse at them. The non-financial benefits of caring for your own children are even more pronounced.



      Adding child care savings to the already mentioned general savings means that my wife probably saves us more money than she would make if she got a minimum wage job, so she practically does make as much money as if she had such a job even though she earns no paycheck.



      In your case, though you may not have children, you should consider the child care savings as well if you think you might have children in the future.



      Summary



      If finances are one of your big worries for your relationship, then think about whether the value added by your relationship with her (financial and otherwise) is worth the financial cost.





      Frame challenge answers should also provide a literal answer to the question as asked, if possible, so here it is...



      There is a problem with sending out applications on her behalf if she does not even know it is happening. That would be awkward to be hit with "Surprise! We want to interview you on Friday," especially when you were not looking for a job and may not have wanted one.



      What you could do is talk to her about a job opening you have seen. "Hey, I saw a help wanted ad for that one place downtown." She might not do much about it, but then later you could say "Hey, I thought I'd help you by preparing this application for you. Can I send it to them?"






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        It is not strictly unethical. The key is that she is informed and she consents.






        TL;DR



        Write the CV for her. Ask her if it's good and if she wants you to send it to potential employers on her behalf. If she says yes to both then go ahead, if she says no then definitely keep it to yourself.






        Sending documents on someone else's behalf is OK if they review and approve the document before it gets sent. It's common practice.



        More specifically related to this question: you can hire people to help you write a resume or to wholly write it for you based on some information you give them. You can also hire people to send it out to potential employers. There's a whole market of recruitment agencies that's based on the fact that applying for jobs one someone else's behalf is OK.



        So it would be OK for you to write her CV for her, but get her to read and approve it. Also make sure she consents to have that document sent on her behalf before sending it out.



        With regards to the background and many comments that arose from it: stress can lead to procrastination, apathy and depression, and taking the first step towards the solution can definitely help someone get "out of the rut" they're in right now. With that in mind, if she approves of the CV you wrote for her and she lets you sent it to potential employers, I don't think that sending the resumes are a waste of time for the possible employer; I think it might be what she needs to get off the couch.



        IF, however, once you show her the CV you wrote for her, she doesn't like it and/or doesn't give you permission to send it to potential employers on her behalf, don't send it.



        Best of luck.






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          I think ethical/unethical is besides the point. It might not be legal (you don't have any kind of standing to stand-in for someone in that regard), but it's definitely pointless.



          What company is going to hire someone so uninterested in working for them that they couldn't even be bothered to apply themselves?






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            In answer to the title question, yes it is generally ethically permitted.



            There is nothing inherently unethical in applying for a job on someone else's behalf. This is in essence what some job placement services do and not that different from what some recruiters do. It is not hard to find services that will write your resume for you and submitting the application is essentially an administrative step.



            Writing a cover letter is a bit more of a grey area because people expect that to be something more of a personal statement. But while writing a cover letter for someone is pushing the boundary, providing advice and editing, even extensive advice and editing, on a cover letter after they write the core content is very common and generally accepted. It is also noteworthy that cover letters are usually optional.



            Creating a writing sample for someone else if one is required would definitely be crossing the line and unethical. However, even there providing general advice and light editing is normally accepted unless the requester specifically forbids that. I normally use an excerpt from some of my publications as my writing sample. While the core of the work is mine, those have obviously been edited by skilled editors and the editor is thanked by name in the footnote of the first page of the published piece which is included in the sample.



            Of course, if there is some sort of screening test you absolutely cannot provide any direct help on that test. That would clearly be unethical. But those normally come after the initial application stage.



            In your particular situation, probably not, or at least not without your partner's explicit consent and cooperation.



            The body text of this question gives me the impression that you intend to send out some of these applications without full, informed consent from your partner. If that impression is right, then it is both unethical and likely to cause problems from a practical standpoint.



            It is one thing to provide assistance to someone who asks for it in finding a job, and another to act as an "officious inter-meddler" and foist your help on someone who doesn't want it. Sending out applications without your partner's full informed consent is improperly concealing information from your partner and the potential employer since the employer will reasonably expect that the application at least came from an authorized agent of the applicant.



            Moreover, it will likely not end well at all. Your partner will end up with interviews for jobs they are not likely to be interested in or prepared for and that will waste everyone's time, at best.






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            • An employment service or a recruiter specifically has permission to assist a candidate in trying to find a job. They also play an active role in the process.

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            If you submit an application that asserts, or is designed to give the impression, that you partner submitted the application, then you are lying. It breaches an ethical duty towards the company, in that you are misleading them, and to your partner, in that you are making false assertions about her and refusing to accept her agency. As poor as you think her behavior is, it is her choice, and you don't have the right to override that. The term "partner" refers to equals, and if you start making decisions based on what you have decided is "best for her", then you're not treating her as an equal.



            It is extremely unlikely to be successful, as your partner will still have to go through the rest of the process, and will not only not be motivated to begin with, but will likely be resentful of you for being dishonest. In addition, if she ever does regain her motivation, she is likely to find a lot of bridges burnt, with employers unwilling to accept further applications from someone who wasted their time previously.






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              I'd say highly unlikely. You wrote:




              she will just rot on the couch for the rest of her life




              if left to her own devices. That clearly shows she does not want to get a job. Job application says she wants to get a job. Thus, any application would be a lie on that single most important point.



              If you'll apply for her, you will be lying and wasting resources of innocent company and people - how could this ever be ethical?



              If you want to "help" her, you need to change her attitude and her wants. I'm not a specialist in that matter. If you are not one, either, you may suggest her seeing one. Therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists can really do wonders these days.






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                While I upvoted this for the part about how it wouldn't be ethical, since OP would be lying and wasting resources (not to mention your own time and effort), I disagree with the statement "you need to change her attitude and her wants". While OP may have some influence on her, OP cannot directly change her. While therapists, psychologists, etc. can certainly help, OP can't make her go to them either.

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                @zarose I meant that without such changes she won't have a job. I didn't meant it's easy or even possible. If it's depression it probably is treatable, for example. Who knows?..

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              • That being said, there's a difference between doing something for someone and getting them started. To extend the "teach a man to fish" analogy, you're probably still going to be catching a fish yourself while you're showing him why having a fishing rod is useful, which happens before the man actively wants to catch his own fish. Similarly, it's not wrong to send an application (with her consent and (at least passive) participation!) to show her the ins and outs of job applications. But it should be a kickstart, not a recurring task you do for her.

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              • While I mostly agree, I would have one amendment: If she is just depressed, unmotivated to write applications, e.g. overwhelmed by the uncertainty what she should write and to which company, I'd say it might help to help her write the applications, sort out promising jobs in dialogue with her, then write up her CV and an application letter etc, BUT she needs to have the final say. It needs to be her that sends it in and she needs to be willing to take that job and see the interview process through. Maybe she just needs a little jump start like that. [cont]

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              • while indeed your assessment seems valid, that would be the only level of support that would seem remotely appropriate (imho). And if it doesn't work, the only way out is for her to change her mind - and perhaps seek the help of a psychologist like you suggest. Feel free to incorporate or not.

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              I'd say highly unlikely. You wrote:




              she will just rot on the couch for the rest of her life




              if left to her own devices. That clearly shows she does not want to get a job. Job application says she wants to get a job. Thus, any application would be a lie on that single most important point.



              If you'll apply for her, you will be lying and wasting resources of innocent company and people - how could this ever be ethical?



              If you want to "help" her, you need to change her attitude and her wants. I'm not a specialist in that matter. If you are not one, either, you may suggest her seeing one. Therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists can really do wonders these days.






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                While I upvoted this for the part about how it wouldn't be ethical, since OP would be lying and wasting resources (not to mention your own time and effort), I disagree with the statement "you need to change her attitude and her wants". While OP may have some influence on her, OP cannot directly change her. While therapists, psychologists, etc. can certainly help, OP can't make her go to them either.

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                @zarose I meant that without such changes she won't have a job. I didn't meant it's easy or even possible. If it's depression it probably is treatable, for example. Who knows?..

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              • That being said, there's a difference between doing something for someone and getting them started. To extend the "teach a man to fish" analogy, you're probably still going to be catching a fish yourself while you're showing him why having a fishing rod is useful, which happens before the man actively wants to catch his own fish. Similarly, it's not wrong to send an application (with her consent and (at least passive) participation!) to show her the ins and outs of job applications. But it should be a kickstart, not a recurring task you do for her.

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              • While I mostly agree, I would have one amendment: If she is just depressed, unmotivated to write applications, e.g. overwhelmed by the uncertainty what she should write and to which company, I'd say it might help to help her write the applications, sort out promising jobs in dialogue with her, then write up her CV and an application letter etc, BUT she needs to have the final say. It needs to be her that sends it in and she needs to be willing to take that job and see the interview process through. Maybe she just needs a little jump start like that. [cont]

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              • while indeed your assessment seems valid, that would be the only level of support that would seem remotely appropriate (imho). And if it doesn't work, the only way out is for her to change her mind - and perhaps seek the help of a psychologist like you suggest. Feel free to incorporate or not.

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              I'd say highly unlikely. You wrote:




              she will just rot on the couch for the rest of her life




              if left to her own devices. That clearly shows she does not want to get a job. Job application says she wants to get a job. Thus, any application would be a lie on that single most important point.



              If you'll apply for her, you will be lying and wasting resources of innocent company and people - how could this ever be ethical?



              If you want to "help" her, you need to change her attitude and her wants. I'm not a specialist in that matter. If you are not one, either, you may suggest her seeing one. Therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists can really do wonders these days.






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              I'd say highly unlikely. You wrote:




              she will just rot on the couch for the rest of her life




              if left to her own devices. That clearly shows she does not want to get a job. Job application says she wants to get a job. Thus, any application would be a lie on that single most important point.



              If you'll apply for her, you will be lying and wasting resources of innocent company and people - how could this ever be ethical?



              If you want to "help" her, you need to change her attitude and her wants. I'm not a specialist in that matter. If you are not one, either, you may suggest her seeing one. Therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists can really do wonders these days.







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                While I upvoted this for the part about how it wouldn't be ethical, since OP would be lying and wasting resources (not to mention your own time and effort), I disagree with the statement "you need to change her attitude and her wants". While OP may have some influence on her, OP cannot directly change her. While therapists, psychologists, etc. can certainly help, OP can't make her go to them either.

                – zarose
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                @zarose I meant that without such changes she won't have a job. I didn't meant it's easy or even possible. If it's depression it probably is treatable, for example. Who knows?..

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              • That being said, there's a difference between doing something for someone and getting them started. To extend the "teach a man to fish" analogy, you're probably still going to be catching a fish yourself while you're showing him why having a fishing rod is useful, which happens before the man actively wants to catch his own fish. Similarly, it's not wrong to send an application (with her consent and (at least passive) participation!) to show her the ins and outs of job applications. But it should be a kickstart, not a recurring task you do for her.

                – Flater
                6 hours ago













              • While I mostly agree, I would have one amendment: If she is just depressed, unmotivated to write applications, e.g. overwhelmed by the uncertainty what she should write and to which company, I'd say it might help to help her write the applications, sort out promising jobs in dialogue with her, then write up her CV and an application letter etc, BUT she needs to have the final say. It needs to be her that sends it in and she needs to be willing to take that job and see the interview process through. Maybe she just needs a little jump start like that. [cont]

                – Darkwing
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              • while indeed your assessment seems valid, that would be the only level of support that would seem remotely appropriate (imho). And if it doesn't work, the only way out is for her to change her mind - and perhaps seek the help of a psychologist like you suggest. Feel free to incorporate or not.

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                While I upvoted this for the part about how it wouldn't be ethical, since OP would be lying and wasting resources (not to mention your own time and effort), I disagree with the statement "you need to change her attitude and her wants". While OP may have some influence on her, OP cannot directly change her. While therapists, psychologists, etc. can certainly help, OP can't make her go to them either.

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                @zarose I meant that without such changes she won't have a job. I didn't meant it's easy or even possible. If it's depression it probably is treatable, for example. Who knows?..

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              • That being said, there's a difference between doing something for someone and getting them started. To extend the "teach a man to fish" analogy, you're probably still going to be catching a fish yourself while you're showing him why having a fishing rod is useful, which happens before the man actively wants to catch his own fish. Similarly, it's not wrong to send an application (with her consent and (at least passive) participation!) to show her the ins and outs of job applications. But it should be a kickstart, not a recurring task you do for her.

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                6 hours ago













              • While I mostly agree, I would have one amendment: If she is just depressed, unmotivated to write applications, e.g. overwhelmed by the uncertainty what she should write and to which company, I'd say it might help to help her write the applications, sort out promising jobs in dialogue with her, then write up her CV and an application letter etc, BUT she needs to have the final say. It needs to be her that sends it in and she needs to be willing to take that job and see the interview process through. Maybe she just needs a little jump start like that. [cont]

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              • while indeed your assessment seems valid, that would be the only level of support that would seem remotely appropriate (imho). And if it doesn't work, the only way out is for her to change her mind - and perhaps seek the help of a psychologist like you suggest. Feel free to incorporate or not.

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              While I upvoted this for the part about how it wouldn't be ethical, since OP would be lying and wasting resources (not to mention your own time and effort), I disagree with the statement "you need to change her attitude and her wants". While OP may have some influence on her, OP cannot directly change her. While therapists, psychologists, etc. can certainly help, OP can't make her go to them either.

              – zarose
              18 hours ago





              While I upvoted this for the part about how it wouldn't be ethical, since OP would be lying and wasting resources (not to mention your own time and effort), I disagree with the statement "you need to change her attitude and her wants". While OP may have some influence on her, OP cannot directly change her. While therapists, psychologists, etc. can certainly help, OP can't make her go to them either.

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              @zarose I meant that without such changes she won't have a job. I didn't meant it's easy or even possible. If it's depression it probably is treatable, for example. Who knows?..

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              @zarose I meant that without such changes she won't have a job. I didn't meant it's easy or even possible. If it's depression it probably is treatable, for example. Who knows?..

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              That being said, there's a difference between doing something for someone and getting them started. To extend the "teach a man to fish" analogy, you're probably still going to be catching a fish yourself while you're showing him why having a fishing rod is useful, which happens before the man actively wants to catch his own fish. Similarly, it's not wrong to send an application (with her consent and (at least passive) participation!) to show her the ins and outs of job applications. But it should be a kickstart, not a recurring task you do for her.

              – Flater
              6 hours ago







              That being said, there's a difference between doing something for someone and getting them started. To extend the "teach a man to fish" analogy, you're probably still going to be catching a fish yourself while you're showing him why having a fishing rod is useful, which happens before the man actively wants to catch his own fish. Similarly, it's not wrong to send an application (with her consent and (at least passive) participation!) to show her the ins and outs of job applications. But it should be a kickstart, not a recurring task you do for her.

              – Flater
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              While I mostly agree, I would have one amendment: If she is just depressed, unmotivated to write applications, e.g. overwhelmed by the uncertainty what she should write and to which company, I'd say it might help to help her write the applications, sort out promising jobs in dialogue with her, then write up her CV and an application letter etc, BUT she needs to have the final say. It needs to be her that sends it in and she needs to be willing to take that job and see the interview process through. Maybe she just needs a little jump start like that. [cont]

              – Darkwing
              34 mins ago





              While I mostly agree, I would have one amendment: If she is just depressed, unmotivated to write applications, e.g. overwhelmed by the uncertainty what she should write and to which company, I'd say it might help to help her write the applications, sort out promising jobs in dialogue with her, then write up her CV and an application letter etc, BUT she needs to have the final say. It needs to be her that sends it in and she needs to be willing to take that job and see the interview process through. Maybe she just needs a little jump start like that. [cont]

              – Darkwing
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              while indeed your assessment seems valid, that would be the only level of support that would seem remotely appropriate (imho). And if it doesn't work, the only way out is for her to change her mind - and perhaps seek the help of a psychologist like you suggest. Feel free to incorporate or not.

              – Darkwing
              32 mins ago







              while indeed your assessment seems valid, that would be the only level of support that would seem remotely appropriate (imho). And if it doesn't work, the only way out is for her to change her mind - and perhaps seek the help of a psychologist like you suggest. Feel free to incorporate or not.

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              I would say that depends on how involved you are planning to get. If you are simply helping her construct a resume and sending it out on her behalf I don't think anyone could find fault with that.



              It is a different matter if you are writing application letters on her behalf. The way that a person writes and structures such letters go a long way in informing a potential employer about the personality of the applicant. So not only are the ethics of someone other than the applicant writing an application letter questionable. It could also negatively impact any interview she gets because of your application.






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                "I don't think anyone could find fault with that." I can imagine at least one person in the stated scenario who is highly likely to find fault with that.

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                Application letters are pretty formulaic, many people just copy templates. And if you're applying through the employer's online offer site, you might not even send a letter, just upload your resume.

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                @ceejayoz I think the key phrase there is "helping her." If you're helping by doing the activity together, it's hard to see any problem there. If you're helping by just doing it while she's on the couch entirely uninvolved, then yes, there is fault to be found with that process.

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              I would say that depends on how involved you are planning to get. If you are simply helping her construct a resume and sending it out on her behalf I don't think anyone could find fault with that.



              It is a different matter if you are writing application letters on her behalf. The way that a person writes and structures such letters go a long way in informing a potential employer about the personality of the applicant. So not only are the ethics of someone other than the applicant writing an application letter questionable. It could also negatively impact any interview she gets because of your application.






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                "I don't think anyone could find fault with that." I can imagine at least one person in the stated scenario who is highly likely to find fault with that.

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                Application letters are pretty formulaic, many people just copy templates. And if you're applying through the employer's online offer site, you might not even send a letter, just upload your resume.

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                @ceejayoz I think the key phrase there is "helping her." If you're helping by doing the activity together, it's hard to see any problem there. If you're helping by just doing it while she's on the couch entirely uninvolved, then yes, there is fault to be found with that process.

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              I would say that depends on how involved you are planning to get. If you are simply helping her construct a resume and sending it out on her behalf I don't think anyone could find fault with that.



              It is a different matter if you are writing application letters on her behalf. The way that a person writes and structures such letters go a long way in informing a potential employer about the personality of the applicant. So not only are the ethics of someone other than the applicant writing an application letter questionable. It could also negatively impact any interview she gets because of your application.






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              I would say that depends on how involved you are planning to get. If you are simply helping her construct a resume and sending it out on her behalf I don't think anyone could find fault with that.



              It is a different matter if you are writing application letters on her behalf. The way that a person writes and structures such letters go a long way in informing a potential employer about the personality of the applicant. So not only are the ethics of someone other than the applicant writing an application letter questionable. It could also negatively impact any interview she gets because of your application.







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                "I don't think anyone could find fault with that." I can imagine at least one person in the stated scenario who is highly likely to find fault with that.

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                Application letters are pretty formulaic, many people just copy templates. And if you're applying through the employer's online offer site, you might not even send a letter, just upload your resume.

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                @ceejayoz I think the key phrase there is "helping her." If you're helping by doing the activity together, it's hard to see any problem there. If you're helping by just doing it while she's on the couch entirely uninvolved, then yes, there is fault to be found with that process.

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                "I don't think anyone could find fault with that." I can imagine at least one person in the stated scenario who is highly likely to find fault with that.

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                Application letters are pretty formulaic, many people just copy templates. And if you're applying through the employer's online offer site, you might not even send a letter, just upload your resume.

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                18 hours ago






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                @ceejayoz I think the key phrase there is "helping her." If you're helping by doing the activity together, it's hard to see any problem there. If you're helping by just doing it while she's on the couch entirely uninvolved, then yes, there is fault to be found with that process.

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              "I don't think anyone could find fault with that." I can imagine at least one person in the stated scenario who is highly likely to find fault with that.

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              "I don't think anyone could find fault with that." I can imagine at least one person in the stated scenario who is highly likely to find fault with that.

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              Application letters are pretty formulaic, many people just copy templates. And if you're applying through the employer's online offer site, you might not even send a letter, just upload your resume.

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              Application letters are pretty formulaic, many people just copy templates. And if you're applying through the employer's online offer site, you might not even send a letter, just upload your resume.

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              @ceejayoz I think the key phrase there is "helping her." If you're helping by doing the activity together, it's hard to see any problem there. If you're helping by just doing it while she's on the couch entirely uninvolved, then yes, there is fault to be found with that process.

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              @ceejayoz I think the key phrase there is "helping her." If you're helping by doing the activity together, it's hard to see any problem there. If you're helping by just doing it while she's on the couch entirely uninvolved, then yes, there is fault to be found with that process.

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              While not exactly on a par with things like stealing this is certainly unethical. When a company receives a job application there's a non-zero amount of effort that goes in to evaluating that application, and they're going to be doing that on the basis that the application is in good faith. What you're proposing to do is at best a misrepresentation - the purported applicant has never applied so it's fundamentally dishonest to begin with. I can only speak for myself but I for one find expecting candidates to have the necessary work ethic to actually be bothered to apply for the job in the first place to be something of a bare minimum. Your proxied applications may be an accurate representation of her skills and qualifications but they aren't an accurate representation of her as a person.



              Now pragmatically this may be a non-issue if the "applicant" was likely to pick up the baton of the hiring process and run with it but from everything you have said in your post (and I'm sorry if this sounds harsh) I can't see that happening. And if she doesn't follow up on the application (say she gets an interview and just doesn't go) then congratulations you've just wasted everybody's time, including your own.



              PS: As a somewhat off topic tangent for Workplace SE - spoon-feeding lazy people rarely makes them less lazy. All you are doing is reinforcing the behavior.






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              While not exactly on a par with things like stealing this is certainly unethical. When a company receives a job application there's a non-zero amount of effort that goes in to evaluating that application, and they're going to be doing that on the basis that the application is in good faith. What you're proposing to do is at best a misrepresentation - the purported applicant has never applied so it's fundamentally dishonest to begin with. I can only speak for myself but I for one find expecting candidates to have the necessary work ethic to actually be bothered to apply for the job in the first place to be something of a bare minimum. Your proxied applications may be an accurate representation of her skills and qualifications but they aren't an accurate representation of her as a person.



              Now pragmatically this may be a non-issue if the "applicant" was likely to pick up the baton of the hiring process and run with it but from everything you have said in your post (and I'm sorry if this sounds harsh) I can't see that happening. And if she doesn't follow up on the application (say she gets an interview and just doesn't go) then congratulations you've just wasted everybody's time, including your own.



              PS: As a somewhat off topic tangent for Workplace SE - spoon-feeding lazy people rarely makes them less lazy. All you are doing is reinforcing the behavior.






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                +1 for the last sentence.

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              While not exactly on a par with things like stealing this is certainly unethical. When a company receives a job application there's a non-zero amount of effort that goes in to evaluating that application, and they're going to be doing that on the basis that the application is in good faith. What you're proposing to do is at best a misrepresentation - the purported applicant has never applied so it's fundamentally dishonest to begin with. I can only speak for myself but I for one find expecting candidates to have the necessary work ethic to actually be bothered to apply for the job in the first place to be something of a bare minimum. Your proxied applications may be an accurate representation of her skills and qualifications but they aren't an accurate representation of her as a person.



              Now pragmatically this may be a non-issue if the "applicant" was likely to pick up the baton of the hiring process and run with it but from everything you have said in your post (and I'm sorry if this sounds harsh) I can't see that happening. And if she doesn't follow up on the application (say she gets an interview and just doesn't go) then congratulations you've just wasted everybody's time, including your own.



              PS: As a somewhat off topic tangent for Workplace SE - spoon-feeding lazy people rarely makes them less lazy. All you are doing is reinforcing the behavior.






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              While not exactly on a par with things like stealing this is certainly unethical. When a company receives a job application there's a non-zero amount of effort that goes in to evaluating that application, and they're going to be doing that on the basis that the application is in good faith. What you're proposing to do is at best a misrepresentation - the purported applicant has never applied so it's fundamentally dishonest to begin with. I can only speak for myself but I for one find expecting candidates to have the necessary work ethic to actually be bothered to apply for the job in the first place to be something of a bare minimum. Your proxied applications may be an accurate representation of her skills and qualifications but they aren't an accurate representation of her as a person.



              Now pragmatically this may be a non-issue if the "applicant" was likely to pick up the baton of the hiring process and run with it but from everything you have said in your post (and I'm sorry if this sounds harsh) I can't see that happening. And if she doesn't follow up on the application (say she gets an interview and just doesn't go) then congratulations you've just wasted everybody's time, including your own.



              PS: As a somewhat off topic tangent for Workplace SE - spoon-feeding lazy people rarely makes them less lazy. All you are doing is reinforcing the behavior.







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              Unless you have her consent, you should not be applying to any jobs on her behalf. You may have the best intentions, but part of entering the world of work is being independent and responsible for yourself. Those are two traits that she will not pick up if you do all the work for her.



              Another thing is that doing things on her behalf without her consent can hurt your relationship. I know someone who applied and interviewed for a position but the company was slow to respond after the interview. His girlfriend without telling him then started to apply on his behalf to other companies. He did land the job with the original company but after he started working he was being contacted by the companies that his girlfriend had applied to. He was not happy at all with what she did and they split up because of it.






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                Unless you have her consent, you should not be applying to any jobs on her behalf. You may have the best intentions, but part of entering the world of work is being independent and responsible for yourself. Those are two traits that she will not pick up if you do all the work for her.



                Another thing is that doing things on her behalf without her consent can hurt your relationship. I know someone who applied and interviewed for a position but the company was slow to respond after the interview. His girlfriend without telling him then started to apply on his behalf to other companies. He did land the job with the original company but after he started working he was being contacted by the companies that his girlfriend had applied to. He was not happy at all with what she did and they split up because of it.






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                  Unless you have her consent, you should not be applying to any jobs on her behalf. You may have the best intentions, but part of entering the world of work is being independent and responsible for yourself. Those are two traits that she will not pick up if you do all the work for her.



                  Another thing is that doing things on her behalf without her consent can hurt your relationship. I know someone who applied and interviewed for a position but the company was slow to respond after the interview. His girlfriend without telling him then started to apply on his behalf to other companies. He did land the job with the original company but after he started working he was being contacted by the companies that his girlfriend had applied to. He was not happy at all with what she did and they split up because of it.






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                  Unless you have her consent, you should not be applying to any jobs on her behalf. You may have the best intentions, but part of entering the world of work is being independent and responsible for yourself. Those are two traits that she will not pick up if you do all the work for her.



                  Another thing is that doing things on her behalf without her consent can hurt your relationship. I know someone who applied and interviewed for a position but the company was slow to respond after the interview. His girlfriend without telling him then started to apply on his behalf to other companies. He did land the job with the original company but after he started working he was being contacted by the companies that his girlfriend had applied to. He was not happy at all with what she did and they split up because of it.







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                      Tl;dr: you're asking the wrong question. Don't do this, instead, help motivate her to do it.





                      It sounds like you don't need to ask the question about whether or not it's "ethical" to apply for a job on her behalf, and should not even do that to begin with, but should probably head over to Interpersonal Skills and see if a question over there, on how you might help motivate her to change her behavior to be more productive, would be a good fit.



                      This isn't a question of applying on the jobs — you know she wants to sit on the couch and watch TV all day, this is a question of motivating her to do something different (if that's at all appropriate, I'm not validating it one way or another here).



                      If you want her to get a job, start a career, or go back to school, you'll need to help motivate her to do it. I had the same problem with my SO (she wanted to sit and watch TV all day as well), so I took steps to motivate her to find something she enjoys (she likes science and math reasonably well, so we went that direction) and we started working on that. Now she wants to continue that direction.



                      You'll need to take some similar steps here, but keep in mind, your goal is not to:





                      1. DO NOT: Boss her around: don't tell her she needs to do <X>;


                      2. DO NOT: Tell her she's "failing": seriously, don't demotivate her, you should try to do the opposite here;


                      3. DO NOT: Tell her what to go into: it sounds like she doesn't know what she wants to do, so don't say "you should do ", help her explore and find the appropriate paths;


                      I'd head over to Interpersonal Skills and see if you can find some related questions, or see if a question on how to do the aforementioned is on-topic, but you should try to encourage her to change her behaviour, if you truly feel that's the right path.





                      I want to end with an example anecdote of how doing exactly this can go spectacularly wrong: in the (seemingly) popular show Parks and Recreation episode The Fight (season 3 episode 13), Leslie Knope submits Ann Perkins name for a job in the Health Department for the city of Pawnee. (The exact same thing you are suggesting here, but for one job.) Upon finding out, Ann Perkins is infuriated, and she and Leslie get into some shenanigans, and end up having a significant fight, and almost part ways permanently. They reconcile later and things go "back to normal", but I don't believe your life is a situational comedic drama, and I would suspect that repairing said damage would be significantly more difficult in the real world.



                      Don't do this, seriously.






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                        OP should get OP's girlfriend into the doctor for evaluation. Depression can work this way, and if it goes untreated it can get lots worse.

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                      Tl;dr: you're asking the wrong question. Don't do this, instead, help motivate her to do it.





                      It sounds like you don't need to ask the question about whether or not it's "ethical" to apply for a job on her behalf, and should not even do that to begin with, but should probably head over to Interpersonal Skills and see if a question over there, on how you might help motivate her to change her behavior to be more productive, would be a good fit.



                      This isn't a question of applying on the jobs — you know she wants to sit on the couch and watch TV all day, this is a question of motivating her to do something different (if that's at all appropriate, I'm not validating it one way or another here).



                      If you want her to get a job, start a career, or go back to school, you'll need to help motivate her to do it. I had the same problem with my SO (she wanted to sit and watch TV all day as well), so I took steps to motivate her to find something she enjoys (she likes science and math reasonably well, so we went that direction) and we started working on that. Now she wants to continue that direction.



                      You'll need to take some similar steps here, but keep in mind, your goal is not to:





                      1. DO NOT: Boss her around: don't tell her she needs to do <X>;


                      2. DO NOT: Tell her she's "failing": seriously, don't demotivate her, you should try to do the opposite here;


                      3. DO NOT: Tell her what to go into: it sounds like she doesn't know what she wants to do, so don't say "you should do ", help her explore and find the appropriate paths;


                      I'd head over to Interpersonal Skills and see if you can find some related questions, or see if a question on how to do the aforementioned is on-topic, but you should try to encourage her to change her behaviour, if you truly feel that's the right path.





                      I want to end with an example anecdote of how doing exactly this can go spectacularly wrong: in the (seemingly) popular show Parks and Recreation episode The Fight (season 3 episode 13), Leslie Knope submits Ann Perkins name for a job in the Health Department for the city of Pawnee. (The exact same thing you are suggesting here, but for one job.) Upon finding out, Ann Perkins is infuriated, and she and Leslie get into some shenanigans, and end up having a significant fight, and almost part ways permanently. They reconcile later and things go "back to normal", but I don't believe your life is a situational comedic drama, and I would suspect that repairing said damage would be significantly more difficult in the real world.



                      Don't do this, seriously.






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                        OP should get OP's girlfriend into the doctor for evaluation. Depression can work this way, and if it goes untreated it can get lots worse.

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                      Tl;dr: you're asking the wrong question. Don't do this, instead, help motivate her to do it.





                      It sounds like you don't need to ask the question about whether or not it's "ethical" to apply for a job on her behalf, and should not even do that to begin with, but should probably head over to Interpersonal Skills and see if a question over there, on how you might help motivate her to change her behavior to be more productive, would be a good fit.



                      This isn't a question of applying on the jobs — you know she wants to sit on the couch and watch TV all day, this is a question of motivating her to do something different (if that's at all appropriate, I'm not validating it one way or another here).



                      If you want her to get a job, start a career, or go back to school, you'll need to help motivate her to do it. I had the same problem with my SO (she wanted to sit and watch TV all day as well), so I took steps to motivate her to find something she enjoys (she likes science and math reasonably well, so we went that direction) and we started working on that. Now she wants to continue that direction.



                      You'll need to take some similar steps here, but keep in mind, your goal is not to:





                      1. DO NOT: Boss her around: don't tell her she needs to do <X>;


                      2. DO NOT: Tell her she's "failing": seriously, don't demotivate her, you should try to do the opposite here;


                      3. DO NOT: Tell her what to go into: it sounds like she doesn't know what she wants to do, so don't say "you should do ", help her explore and find the appropriate paths;


                      I'd head over to Interpersonal Skills and see if you can find some related questions, or see if a question on how to do the aforementioned is on-topic, but you should try to encourage her to change her behaviour, if you truly feel that's the right path.





                      I want to end with an example anecdote of how doing exactly this can go spectacularly wrong: in the (seemingly) popular show Parks and Recreation episode The Fight (season 3 episode 13), Leslie Knope submits Ann Perkins name for a job in the Health Department for the city of Pawnee. (The exact same thing you are suggesting here, but for one job.) Upon finding out, Ann Perkins is infuriated, and she and Leslie get into some shenanigans, and end up having a significant fight, and almost part ways permanently. They reconcile later and things go "back to normal", but I don't believe your life is a situational comedic drama, and I would suspect that repairing said damage would be significantly more difficult in the real world.



                      Don't do this, seriously.






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                      Tl;dr: you're asking the wrong question. Don't do this, instead, help motivate her to do it.





                      It sounds like you don't need to ask the question about whether or not it's "ethical" to apply for a job on her behalf, and should not even do that to begin with, but should probably head over to Interpersonal Skills and see if a question over there, on how you might help motivate her to change her behavior to be more productive, would be a good fit.



                      This isn't a question of applying on the jobs — you know she wants to sit on the couch and watch TV all day, this is a question of motivating her to do something different (if that's at all appropriate, I'm not validating it one way or another here).



                      If you want her to get a job, start a career, or go back to school, you'll need to help motivate her to do it. I had the same problem with my SO (she wanted to sit and watch TV all day as well), so I took steps to motivate her to find something she enjoys (she likes science and math reasonably well, so we went that direction) and we started working on that. Now she wants to continue that direction.



                      You'll need to take some similar steps here, but keep in mind, your goal is not to:





                      1. DO NOT: Boss her around: don't tell her she needs to do <X>;


                      2. DO NOT: Tell her she's "failing": seriously, don't demotivate her, you should try to do the opposite here;


                      3. DO NOT: Tell her what to go into: it sounds like she doesn't know what she wants to do, so don't say "you should do ", help her explore and find the appropriate paths;


                      I'd head over to Interpersonal Skills and see if you can find some related questions, or see if a question on how to do the aforementioned is on-topic, but you should try to encourage her to change her behaviour, if you truly feel that's the right path.





                      I want to end with an example anecdote of how doing exactly this can go spectacularly wrong: in the (seemingly) popular show Parks and Recreation episode The Fight (season 3 episode 13), Leslie Knope submits Ann Perkins name for a job in the Health Department for the city of Pawnee. (The exact same thing you are suggesting here, but for one job.) Upon finding out, Ann Perkins is infuriated, and she and Leslie get into some shenanigans, and end up having a significant fight, and almost part ways permanently. They reconcile later and things go "back to normal", but I don't believe your life is a situational comedic drama, and I would suspect that repairing said damage would be significantly more difficult in the real world.



                      Don't do this, seriously.







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                        OP should get OP's girlfriend into the doctor for evaluation. Depression can work this way, and if it goes untreated it can get lots worse.

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                        OP should get OP's girlfriend into the doctor for evaluation. Depression can work this way, and if it goes untreated it can get lots worse.

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                      OP should get OP's girlfriend into the doctor for evaluation. Depression can work this way, and if it goes untreated it can get lots worse.

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                      OP should get OP's girlfriend into the doctor for evaluation. Depression can work this way, and if it goes untreated it can get lots worse.

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                      is it ethical to apply for jobs on a partner's behalf?




                      If by applying you literally mean "sending her CV and cover letter", then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do. If they can do it, you can also do it.



                      However, no job is assigned just upon submission of an application. The candidate will have to go through an interview/selection process. There you cannot replace her, both for practical and legal reasons. You don't want to go through the ordeal of explaining why they interviewed a guy with brown beard and now they have a blonde woman at their reception requesting to start her work day.






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                        "If they can do it, you can also do it." - but that's a faulty analogy. Recruiting agencies do that for people who want to get a job, and here "candidate" in question wants to sit on the couch. Plus, recruiting agencies disclose they are recruiting agencies, and question does not suggest OP plans to do so or not, so that's an iffy point as well.

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                      • @Mołot, but then the candidate will be rejected after the interview or for not even showing up at the interview. That's not a problem of ethic, but about candidate's motivation.

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                      • Wasting someone else time and effort to prepare interview that's not going to happen is a matter of ethics.

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                        "then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do". Exactly.

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                        "If by applying you literally mean "sending her CV and cover letter", then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do." I would imagine that recruiters don't send a cover letter, and if they do, they clearly say that they are a recruiting agency. Sending a cover letter in which one represents that one is the person named in the CV is, I would assume, not something recruiters do, and would be unethical if they did.

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                      is it ethical to apply for jobs on a partner's behalf?




                      If by applying you literally mean "sending her CV and cover letter", then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do. If they can do it, you can also do it.



                      However, no job is assigned just upon submission of an application. The candidate will have to go through an interview/selection process. There you cannot replace her, both for practical and legal reasons. You don't want to go through the ordeal of explaining why they interviewed a guy with brown beard and now they have a blonde woman at their reception requesting to start her work day.






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                        "If they can do it, you can also do it." - but that's a faulty analogy. Recruiting agencies do that for people who want to get a job, and here "candidate" in question wants to sit on the couch. Plus, recruiting agencies disclose they are recruiting agencies, and question does not suggest OP plans to do so or not, so that's an iffy point as well.

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                      • @Mołot, but then the candidate will be rejected after the interview or for not even showing up at the interview. That's not a problem of ethic, but about candidate's motivation.

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                      • Wasting someone else time and effort to prepare interview that's not going to happen is a matter of ethics.

                        – Mołot
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                        "then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do". Exactly.

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                        "If by applying you literally mean "sending her CV and cover letter", then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do." I would imagine that recruiters don't send a cover letter, and if they do, they clearly say that they are a recruiting agency. Sending a cover letter in which one represents that one is the person named in the CV is, I would assume, not something recruiters do, and would be unethical if they did.

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                      is it ethical to apply for jobs on a partner's behalf?




                      If by applying you literally mean "sending her CV and cover letter", then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do. If they can do it, you can also do it.



                      However, no job is assigned just upon submission of an application. The candidate will have to go through an interview/selection process. There you cannot replace her, both for practical and legal reasons. You don't want to go through the ordeal of explaining why they interviewed a guy with brown beard and now they have a blonde woman at their reception requesting to start her work day.






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                      is it ethical to apply for jobs on a partner's behalf?




                      If by applying you literally mean "sending her CV and cover letter", then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do. If they can do it, you can also do it.



                      However, no job is assigned just upon submission of an application. The candidate will have to go through an interview/selection process. There you cannot replace her, both for practical and legal reasons. You don't want to go through the ordeal of explaining why they interviewed a guy with brown beard and now they have a blonde woman at their reception requesting to start her work day.







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                        "If they can do it, you can also do it." - but that's a faulty analogy. Recruiting agencies do that for people who want to get a job, and here "candidate" in question wants to sit on the couch. Plus, recruiting agencies disclose they are recruiting agencies, and question does not suggest OP plans to do so or not, so that's an iffy point as well.

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                      • @Mołot, but then the candidate will be rejected after the interview or for not even showing up at the interview. That's not a problem of ethic, but about candidate's motivation.

                        – L.Dutch
                        yesterday











                      • Wasting someone else time and effort to prepare interview that's not going to happen is a matter of ethics.

                        – Mołot
                        yesterday






                      • 2





                        "then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do". Exactly.

                        – Fattie
                        yesterday






                      • 1





                        "If by applying you literally mean "sending her CV and cover letter", then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do." I would imagine that recruiters don't send a cover letter, and if they do, they clearly say that they are a recruiting agency. Sending a cover letter in which one represents that one is the person named in the CV is, I would assume, not something recruiters do, and would be unethical if they did.

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                      • 2





                        "If they can do it, you can also do it." - but that's a faulty analogy. Recruiting agencies do that for people who want to get a job, and here "candidate" in question wants to sit on the couch. Plus, recruiting agencies disclose they are recruiting agencies, and question does not suggest OP plans to do so or not, so that's an iffy point as well.

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                      • @Mołot, but then the candidate will be rejected after the interview or for not even showing up at the interview. That's not a problem of ethic, but about candidate's motivation.

                        – L.Dutch
                        yesterday











                      • Wasting someone else time and effort to prepare interview that's not going to happen is a matter of ethics.

                        – Mołot
                        yesterday






                      • 2





                        "then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do". Exactly.

                        – Fattie
                        yesterday






                      • 1





                        "If by applying you literally mean "sending her CV and cover letter", then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do." I would imagine that recruiters don't send a cover letter, and if they do, they clearly say that they are a recruiting agency. Sending a cover letter in which one represents that one is the person named in the CV is, I would assume, not something recruiters do, and would be unethical if they did.

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                        21 hours ago








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                      "If they can do it, you can also do it." - but that's a faulty analogy. Recruiting agencies do that for people who want to get a job, and here "candidate" in question wants to sit on the couch. Plus, recruiting agencies disclose they are recruiting agencies, and question does not suggest OP plans to do so or not, so that's an iffy point as well.

                      – Mołot
                      yesterday







                      "If they can do it, you can also do it." - but that's a faulty analogy. Recruiting agencies do that for people who want to get a job, and here "candidate" in question wants to sit on the couch. Plus, recruiting agencies disclose they are recruiting agencies, and question does not suggest OP plans to do so or not, so that's an iffy point as well.

                      – Mołot
                      yesterday















                      @Mołot, but then the candidate will be rejected after the interview or for not even showing up at the interview. That's not a problem of ethic, but about candidate's motivation.

                      – L.Dutch
                      yesterday





                      @Mołot, but then the candidate will be rejected after the interview or for not even showing up at the interview. That's not a problem of ethic, but about candidate's motivation.

                      – L.Dutch
                      yesterday













                      Wasting someone else time and effort to prepare interview that's not going to happen is a matter of ethics.

                      – Mołot
                      yesterday





                      Wasting someone else time and effort to prepare interview that's not going to happen is a matter of ethics.

                      – Mołot
                      yesterday




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                      "then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do". Exactly.

                      – Fattie
                      yesterday





                      "then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do". Exactly.

                      – Fattie
                      yesterday




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                      "If by applying you literally mean "sending her CV and cover letter", then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do." I would imagine that recruiters don't send a cover letter, and if they do, they clearly say that they are a recruiting agency. Sending a cover letter in which one represents that one is the person named in the CV is, I would assume, not something recruiters do, and would be unethical if they did.

                      – Acccumulation
                      21 hours ago





                      "If by applying you literally mean "sending her CV and cover letter", then this is exactly what recruiting agencies do." I would imagine that recruiters don't send a cover letter, and if they do, they clearly say that they are a recruiting agency. Sending a cover letter in which one represents that one is the person named in the CV is, I would assume, not something recruiters do, and would be unethical if they did.

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                      Next you will be asking if it is ethical to masquerade as her or to hire her cousin to attend the interview. Then if you can do the work for her as well after she is hired.



                      Your partner is dysfunctional. And you are her enabler. It is called a codependency spiral.




                      Codependency is a behavioral condition in a relationship where one person enables another person's addiction, poor mental health, immaturity, irresponsibility, or under-achievement.




                      You do not help dysfunctional people by enabling their dysfunction. You need to break the cycle.



                      Give her a reasonable amount of time, say a few weeks, not much more or less. Pick a holiday or a family event or something arbitrary in the calendar and set an ultimatum about some kind of first steps -- and not more college! The institutional enabler.



                      If she fails, you cancel the cable. Fails the next one, you pawn the TV. The next one you pawn the couch.



                      The final straw is you ask her to leave. If she cannot or will not, you cancel the lease and you leave.



                      This is not cruel. This is how you help people. Some people do not respond well to help. But there is no other way. Let's hope your partner responds well. She will thank you some day.






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                      Next you will be asking if it is ethical to masquerade as her or to hire her cousin to attend the interview. Then if you can do the work for her as well after she is hired.



                      Your partner is dysfunctional. And you are her enabler. It is called a codependency spiral.




                      Codependency is a behavioral condition in a relationship where one person enables another person's addiction, poor mental health, immaturity, irresponsibility, or under-achievement.




                      You do not help dysfunctional people by enabling their dysfunction. You need to break the cycle.



                      Give her a reasonable amount of time, say a few weeks, not much more or less. Pick a holiday or a family event or something arbitrary in the calendar and set an ultimatum about some kind of first steps -- and not more college! The institutional enabler.



                      If she fails, you cancel the cable. Fails the next one, you pawn the TV. The next one you pawn the couch.



                      The final straw is you ask her to leave. If she cannot or will not, you cancel the lease and you leave.



                      This is not cruel. This is how you help people. Some people do not respond well to help. But there is no other way. Let's hope your partner responds well. She will thank you some day.






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                        Instead of saying "look it up", link an article on the subject. It's more helpful and less arrogant.

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                      Next you will be asking if it is ethical to masquerade as her or to hire her cousin to attend the interview. Then if you can do the work for her as well after she is hired.



                      Your partner is dysfunctional. And you are her enabler. It is called a codependency spiral.




                      Codependency is a behavioral condition in a relationship where one person enables another person's addiction, poor mental health, immaturity, irresponsibility, or under-achievement.




                      You do not help dysfunctional people by enabling their dysfunction. You need to break the cycle.



                      Give her a reasonable amount of time, say a few weeks, not much more or less. Pick a holiday or a family event or something arbitrary in the calendar and set an ultimatum about some kind of first steps -- and not more college! The institutional enabler.



                      If she fails, you cancel the cable. Fails the next one, you pawn the TV. The next one you pawn the couch.



                      The final straw is you ask her to leave. If she cannot or will not, you cancel the lease and you leave.



                      This is not cruel. This is how you help people. Some people do not respond well to help. But there is no other way. Let's hope your partner responds well. She will thank you some day.






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                      Next you will be asking if it is ethical to masquerade as her or to hire her cousin to attend the interview. Then if you can do the work for her as well after she is hired.



                      Your partner is dysfunctional. And you are her enabler. It is called a codependency spiral.




                      Codependency is a behavioral condition in a relationship where one person enables another person's addiction, poor mental health, immaturity, irresponsibility, or under-achievement.




                      You do not help dysfunctional people by enabling their dysfunction. You need to break the cycle.



                      Give her a reasonable amount of time, say a few weeks, not much more or less. Pick a holiday or a family event or something arbitrary in the calendar and set an ultimatum about some kind of first steps -- and not more college! The institutional enabler.



                      If she fails, you cancel the cable. Fails the next one, you pawn the TV. The next one you pawn the couch.



                      The final straw is you ask her to leave. If she cannot or will not, you cancel the lease and you leave.



                      This is not cruel. This is how you help people. Some people do not respond well to help. But there is no other way. Let's hope your partner responds well. She will thank you some day.







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                      If this person currently has no inclination to get a job, but to sit on the sofa and live either off your money or off tax-payers money, then anything you can do to change this is ethical.



                      Many people get help writing CVs or hire professionals to do it. Nothing wrong with that. I’ve done it for others, and it got them the job. Write the CV, apply for them, and if there is an interview drive them up to the door of the company so they have no excuse. Ring the bell and push them through the door if they need it. Push them as hard as you can and as hard as they need. Either that, or look for another partner.






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                        If this person currently has no inclination to get a job, but to sit on the sofa and live either off your money or off tax-payers money, then anything you can do to change this is ethical.



                        Many people get help writing CVs or hire professionals to do it. Nothing wrong with that. I’ve done it for others, and it got them the job. Write the CV, apply for them, and if there is an interview drive them up to the door of the company so they have no excuse. Ring the bell and push them through the door if they need it. Push them as hard as you can and as hard as they need. Either that, or look for another partner.






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                          If this person currently has no inclination to get a job, but to sit on the sofa and live either off your money or off tax-payers money, then anything you can do to change this is ethical.



                          Many people get help writing CVs or hire professionals to do it. Nothing wrong with that. I’ve done it for others, and it got them the job. Write the CV, apply for them, and if there is an interview drive them up to the door of the company so they have no excuse. Ring the bell and push them through the door if they need it. Push them as hard as you can and as hard as they need. Either that, or look for another partner.






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                          If this person currently has no inclination to get a job, but to sit on the sofa and live either off your money or off tax-payers money, then anything you can do to change this is ethical.



                          Many people get help writing CVs or hire professionals to do it. Nothing wrong with that. I’ve done it for others, and it got them the job. Write the CV, apply for them, and if there is an interview drive them up to the door of the company so they have no excuse. Ring the bell and push them through the door if they need it. Push them as hard as you can and as hard as they need. Either that, or look for another partner.







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                              I would like to offer a frame challenge:



                              Why should she get a job? Does she actually need one? Why does she need a job?



                              There are a lot of people who are willing to live extremely cheaply. Some of these people do not need a job. For someone who is willing to put in the effort, it is possible to feed their self for dozens or hundreds of dollars per year. Personally, I like to buy cheap food in bulk, the best being food that costs less than a half-dollar per pound, and I have augmented that with a vegetable garden. Where I live, water is literally cheaper than dirt; if I recall correctly, I pay less than a penny per gallon of water.



                              If she does not need the money, why bother to waste her time acquiring it? If she does not live cheaply and expects you to pay for everything, then next time she wants something tell her you are willing to help her get it by paying for half of it for her.



                              However, even if she does not live cheap and expects you to pay for everything, that does not mean there is no value added. My wife has not had an income-generating job in years. We both still consider her to have a job though, just a job at home. Her activities at home, such as managing our supplies, cooking, finding good sales on things, ect., saves us a reasonable amount of money. A dollar saved is a dollar earned. Since you are looking at your relationship financially, you should take into account the value added as well as the finances consumed by her.



                              In our case, we have children too. Child care is very expensive here, and we do not trust the child care services anyway because there are too many reports (some confirmed) of child abuse at them. The non-financial benefits of caring for your own children are even more pronounced.



                              Adding child care savings to the already mentioned general savings means that my wife probably saves us more money than she would make if she got a minimum wage job, so she practically does make as much money as if she had such a job even though she earns no paycheck.



                              In your case, though you may not have children, you should consider the child care savings as well if you think you might have children in the future.



                              Summary



                              If finances are one of your big worries for your relationship, then think about whether the value added by your relationship with her (financial and otherwise) is worth the financial cost.





                              Frame challenge answers should also provide a literal answer to the question as asked, if possible, so here it is...



                              There is a problem with sending out applications on her behalf if she does not even know it is happening. That would be awkward to be hit with "Surprise! We want to interview you on Friday," especially when you were not looking for a job and may not have wanted one.



                              What you could do is talk to her about a job opening you have seen. "Hey, I saw a help wanted ad for that one place downtown." She might not do much about it, but then later you could say "Hey, I thought I'd help you by preparing this application for you. Can I send it to them?"






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                                I would like to offer a frame challenge:



                                Why should she get a job? Does she actually need one? Why does she need a job?



                                There are a lot of people who are willing to live extremely cheaply. Some of these people do not need a job. For someone who is willing to put in the effort, it is possible to feed their self for dozens or hundreds of dollars per year. Personally, I like to buy cheap food in bulk, the best being food that costs less than a half-dollar per pound, and I have augmented that with a vegetable garden. Where I live, water is literally cheaper than dirt; if I recall correctly, I pay less than a penny per gallon of water.



                                If she does not need the money, why bother to waste her time acquiring it? If she does not live cheaply and expects you to pay for everything, then next time she wants something tell her you are willing to help her get it by paying for half of it for her.



                                However, even if she does not live cheap and expects you to pay for everything, that does not mean there is no value added. My wife has not had an income-generating job in years. We both still consider her to have a job though, just a job at home. Her activities at home, such as managing our supplies, cooking, finding good sales on things, ect., saves us a reasonable amount of money. A dollar saved is a dollar earned. Since you are looking at your relationship financially, you should take into account the value added as well as the finances consumed by her.



                                In our case, we have children too. Child care is very expensive here, and we do not trust the child care services anyway because there are too many reports (some confirmed) of child abuse at them. The non-financial benefits of caring for your own children are even more pronounced.



                                Adding child care savings to the already mentioned general savings means that my wife probably saves us more money than she would make if she got a minimum wage job, so she practically does make as much money as if she had such a job even though she earns no paycheck.



                                In your case, though you may not have children, you should consider the child care savings as well if you think you might have children in the future.



                                Summary



                                If finances are one of your big worries for your relationship, then think about whether the value added by your relationship with her (financial and otherwise) is worth the financial cost.





                                Frame challenge answers should also provide a literal answer to the question as asked, if possible, so here it is...



                                There is a problem with sending out applications on her behalf if she does not even know it is happening. That would be awkward to be hit with "Surprise! We want to interview you on Friday," especially when you were not looking for a job and may not have wanted one.



                                What you could do is talk to her about a job opening you have seen. "Hey, I saw a help wanted ad for that one place downtown." She might not do much about it, but then later you could say "Hey, I thought I'd help you by preparing this application for you. Can I send it to them?"






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                                  I would like to offer a frame challenge:



                                  Why should she get a job? Does she actually need one? Why does she need a job?



                                  There are a lot of people who are willing to live extremely cheaply. Some of these people do not need a job. For someone who is willing to put in the effort, it is possible to feed their self for dozens or hundreds of dollars per year. Personally, I like to buy cheap food in bulk, the best being food that costs less than a half-dollar per pound, and I have augmented that with a vegetable garden. Where I live, water is literally cheaper than dirt; if I recall correctly, I pay less than a penny per gallon of water.



                                  If she does not need the money, why bother to waste her time acquiring it? If she does not live cheaply and expects you to pay for everything, then next time she wants something tell her you are willing to help her get it by paying for half of it for her.



                                  However, even if she does not live cheap and expects you to pay for everything, that does not mean there is no value added. My wife has not had an income-generating job in years. We both still consider her to have a job though, just a job at home. Her activities at home, such as managing our supplies, cooking, finding good sales on things, ect., saves us a reasonable amount of money. A dollar saved is a dollar earned. Since you are looking at your relationship financially, you should take into account the value added as well as the finances consumed by her.



                                  In our case, we have children too. Child care is very expensive here, and we do not trust the child care services anyway because there are too many reports (some confirmed) of child abuse at them. The non-financial benefits of caring for your own children are even more pronounced.



                                  Adding child care savings to the already mentioned general savings means that my wife probably saves us more money than she would make if she got a minimum wage job, so she practically does make as much money as if she had such a job even though she earns no paycheck.



                                  In your case, though you may not have children, you should consider the child care savings as well if you think you might have children in the future.



                                  Summary



                                  If finances are one of your big worries for your relationship, then think about whether the value added by your relationship with her (financial and otherwise) is worth the financial cost.





                                  Frame challenge answers should also provide a literal answer to the question as asked, if possible, so here it is...



                                  There is a problem with sending out applications on her behalf if she does not even know it is happening. That would be awkward to be hit with "Surprise! We want to interview you on Friday," especially when you were not looking for a job and may not have wanted one.



                                  What you could do is talk to her about a job opening you have seen. "Hey, I saw a help wanted ad for that one place downtown." She might not do much about it, but then later you could say "Hey, I thought I'd help you by preparing this application for you. Can I send it to them?"






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                                  I would like to offer a frame challenge:



                                  Why should she get a job? Does she actually need one? Why does she need a job?



                                  There are a lot of people who are willing to live extremely cheaply. Some of these people do not need a job. For someone who is willing to put in the effort, it is possible to feed their self for dozens or hundreds of dollars per year. Personally, I like to buy cheap food in bulk, the best being food that costs less than a half-dollar per pound, and I have augmented that with a vegetable garden. Where I live, water is literally cheaper than dirt; if I recall correctly, I pay less than a penny per gallon of water.



                                  If she does not need the money, why bother to waste her time acquiring it? If she does not live cheaply and expects you to pay for everything, then next time she wants something tell her you are willing to help her get it by paying for half of it for her.



                                  However, even if she does not live cheap and expects you to pay for everything, that does not mean there is no value added. My wife has not had an income-generating job in years. We both still consider her to have a job though, just a job at home. Her activities at home, such as managing our supplies, cooking, finding good sales on things, ect., saves us a reasonable amount of money. A dollar saved is a dollar earned. Since you are looking at your relationship financially, you should take into account the value added as well as the finances consumed by her.



                                  In our case, we have children too. Child care is very expensive here, and we do not trust the child care services anyway because there are too many reports (some confirmed) of child abuse at them. The non-financial benefits of caring for your own children are even more pronounced.



                                  Adding child care savings to the already mentioned general savings means that my wife probably saves us more money than she would make if she got a minimum wage job, so she practically does make as much money as if she had such a job even though she earns no paycheck.



                                  In your case, though you may not have children, you should consider the child care savings as well if you think you might have children in the future.



                                  Summary



                                  If finances are one of your big worries for your relationship, then think about whether the value added by your relationship with her (financial and otherwise) is worth the financial cost.





                                  Frame challenge answers should also provide a literal answer to the question as asked, if possible, so here it is...



                                  There is a problem with sending out applications on her behalf if she does not even know it is happening. That would be awkward to be hit with "Surprise! We want to interview you on Friday," especially when you were not looking for a job and may not have wanted one.



                                  What you could do is talk to her about a job opening you have seen. "Hey, I saw a help wanted ad for that one place downtown." She might not do much about it, but then later you could say "Hey, I thought I'd help you by preparing this application for you. Can I send it to them?"







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                                      It is not strictly unethical. The key is that she is informed and she consents.






                                      TL;DR



                                      Write the CV for her. Ask her if it's good and if she wants you to send it to potential employers on her behalf. If she says yes to both then go ahead, if she says no then definitely keep it to yourself.






                                      Sending documents on someone else's behalf is OK if they review and approve the document before it gets sent. It's common practice.



                                      More specifically related to this question: you can hire people to help you write a resume or to wholly write it for you based on some information you give them. You can also hire people to send it out to potential employers. There's a whole market of recruitment agencies that's based on the fact that applying for jobs one someone else's behalf is OK.



                                      So it would be OK for you to write her CV for her, but get her to read and approve it. Also make sure she consents to have that document sent on her behalf before sending it out.



                                      With regards to the background and many comments that arose from it: stress can lead to procrastination, apathy and depression, and taking the first step towards the solution can definitely help someone get "out of the rut" they're in right now. With that in mind, if she approves of the CV you wrote for her and she lets you sent it to potential employers, I don't think that sending the resumes are a waste of time for the possible employer; I think it might be what she needs to get off the couch.



                                      IF, however, once you show her the CV you wrote for her, she doesn't like it and/or doesn't give you permission to send it to potential employers on her behalf, don't send it.



                                      Best of luck.






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                                        It is not strictly unethical. The key is that she is informed and she consents.






                                        TL;DR



                                        Write the CV for her. Ask her if it's good and if she wants you to send it to potential employers on her behalf. If she says yes to both then go ahead, if she says no then definitely keep it to yourself.






                                        Sending documents on someone else's behalf is OK if they review and approve the document before it gets sent. It's common practice.



                                        More specifically related to this question: you can hire people to help you write a resume or to wholly write it for you based on some information you give them. You can also hire people to send it out to potential employers. There's a whole market of recruitment agencies that's based on the fact that applying for jobs one someone else's behalf is OK.



                                        So it would be OK for you to write her CV for her, but get her to read and approve it. Also make sure she consents to have that document sent on her behalf before sending it out.



                                        With regards to the background and many comments that arose from it: stress can lead to procrastination, apathy and depression, and taking the first step towards the solution can definitely help someone get "out of the rut" they're in right now. With that in mind, if she approves of the CV you wrote for her and she lets you sent it to potential employers, I don't think that sending the resumes are a waste of time for the possible employer; I think it might be what she needs to get off the couch.



                                        IF, however, once you show her the CV you wrote for her, she doesn't like it and/or doesn't give you permission to send it to potential employers on her behalf, don't send it.



                                        Best of luck.






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                                          It is not strictly unethical. The key is that she is informed and she consents.






                                          TL;DR



                                          Write the CV for her. Ask her if it's good and if she wants you to send it to potential employers on her behalf. If she says yes to both then go ahead, if she says no then definitely keep it to yourself.






                                          Sending documents on someone else's behalf is OK if they review and approve the document before it gets sent. It's common practice.



                                          More specifically related to this question: you can hire people to help you write a resume or to wholly write it for you based on some information you give them. You can also hire people to send it out to potential employers. There's a whole market of recruitment agencies that's based on the fact that applying for jobs one someone else's behalf is OK.



                                          So it would be OK for you to write her CV for her, but get her to read and approve it. Also make sure she consents to have that document sent on her behalf before sending it out.



                                          With regards to the background and many comments that arose from it: stress can lead to procrastination, apathy and depression, and taking the first step towards the solution can definitely help someone get "out of the rut" they're in right now. With that in mind, if she approves of the CV you wrote for her and she lets you sent it to potential employers, I don't think that sending the resumes are a waste of time for the possible employer; I think it might be what she needs to get off the couch.



                                          IF, however, once you show her the CV you wrote for her, she doesn't like it and/or doesn't give you permission to send it to potential employers on her behalf, don't send it.



                                          Best of luck.






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                                          It is not strictly unethical. The key is that she is informed and she consents.






                                          TL;DR



                                          Write the CV for her. Ask her if it's good and if she wants you to send it to potential employers on her behalf. If she says yes to both then go ahead, if she says no then definitely keep it to yourself.






                                          Sending documents on someone else's behalf is OK if they review and approve the document before it gets sent. It's common practice.



                                          More specifically related to this question: you can hire people to help you write a resume or to wholly write it for you based on some information you give them. You can also hire people to send it out to potential employers. There's a whole market of recruitment agencies that's based on the fact that applying for jobs one someone else's behalf is OK.



                                          So it would be OK for you to write her CV for her, but get her to read and approve it. Also make sure she consents to have that document sent on her behalf before sending it out.



                                          With regards to the background and many comments that arose from it: stress can lead to procrastination, apathy and depression, and taking the first step towards the solution can definitely help someone get "out of the rut" they're in right now. With that in mind, if she approves of the CV you wrote for her and she lets you sent it to potential employers, I don't think that sending the resumes are a waste of time for the possible employer; I think it might be what she needs to get off the couch.



                                          IF, however, once you show her the CV you wrote for her, she doesn't like it and/or doesn't give you permission to send it to potential employers on her behalf, don't send it.



                                          Best of luck.







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                                              I think ethical/unethical is besides the point. It might not be legal (you don't have any kind of standing to stand-in for someone in that regard), but it's definitely pointless.



                                              What company is going to hire someone so uninterested in working for them that they couldn't even be bothered to apply themselves?






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                                                I think ethical/unethical is besides the point. It might not be legal (you don't have any kind of standing to stand-in for someone in that regard), but it's definitely pointless.



                                                What company is going to hire someone so uninterested in working for them that they couldn't even be bothered to apply themselves?






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                                                  I think ethical/unethical is besides the point. It might not be legal (you don't have any kind of standing to stand-in for someone in that regard), but it's definitely pointless.



                                                  What company is going to hire someone so uninterested in working for them that they couldn't even be bothered to apply themselves?






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                                                  I think ethical/unethical is besides the point. It might not be legal (you don't have any kind of standing to stand-in for someone in that regard), but it's definitely pointless.



                                                  What company is going to hire someone so uninterested in working for them that they couldn't even be bothered to apply themselves?







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                                                      In answer to the title question, yes it is generally ethically permitted.



                                                      There is nothing inherently unethical in applying for a job on someone else's behalf. This is in essence what some job placement services do and not that different from what some recruiters do. It is not hard to find services that will write your resume for you and submitting the application is essentially an administrative step.



                                                      Writing a cover letter is a bit more of a grey area because people expect that to be something more of a personal statement. But while writing a cover letter for someone is pushing the boundary, providing advice and editing, even extensive advice and editing, on a cover letter after they write the core content is very common and generally accepted. It is also noteworthy that cover letters are usually optional.



                                                      Creating a writing sample for someone else if one is required would definitely be crossing the line and unethical. However, even there providing general advice and light editing is normally accepted unless the requester specifically forbids that. I normally use an excerpt from some of my publications as my writing sample. While the core of the work is mine, those have obviously been edited by skilled editors and the editor is thanked by name in the footnote of the first page of the published piece which is included in the sample.



                                                      Of course, if there is some sort of screening test you absolutely cannot provide any direct help on that test. That would clearly be unethical. But those normally come after the initial application stage.



                                                      In your particular situation, probably not, or at least not without your partner's explicit consent and cooperation.



                                                      The body text of this question gives me the impression that you intend to send out some of these applications without full, informed consent from your partner. If that impression is right, then it is both unethical and likely to cause problems from a practical standpoint.



                                                      It is one thing to provide assistance to someone who asks for it in finding a job, and another to act as an "officious inter-meddler" and foist your help on someone who doesn't want it. Sending out applications without your partner's full informed consent is improperly concealing information from your partner and the potential employer since the employer will reasonably expect that the application at least came from an authorized agent of the applicant.



                                                      Moreover, it will likely not end well at all. Your partner will end up with interviews for jobs they are not likely to be interested in or prepared for and that will waste everyone's time, at best.






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                                                      • An employment service or a recruiter specifically has permission to assist a candidate in trying to find a job. They also play an active role in the process.

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                                                      In answer to the title question, yes it is generally ethically permitted.



                                                      There is nothing inherently unethical in applying for a job on someone else's behalf. This is in essence what some job placement services do and not that different from what some recruiters do. It is not hard to find services that will write your resume for you and submitting the application is essentially an administrative step.



                                                      Writing a cover letter is a bit more of a grey area because people expect that to be something more of a personal statement. But while writing a cover letter for someone is pushing the boundary, providing advice and editing, even extensive advice and editing, on a cover letter after they write the core content is very common and generally accepted. It is also noteworthy that cover letters are usually optional.



                                                      Creating a writing sample for someone else if one is required would definitely be crossing the line and unethical. However, even there providing general advice and light editing is normally accepted unless the requester specifically forbids that. I normally use an excerpt from some of my publications as my writing sample. While the core of the work is mine, those have obviously been edited by skilled editors and the editor is thanked by name in the footnote of the first page of the published piece which is included in the sample.



                                                      Of course, if there is some sort of screening test you absolutely cannot provide any direct help on that test. That would clearly be unethical. But those normally come after the initial application stage.



                                                      In your particular situation, probably not, or at least not without your partner's explicit consent and cooperation.



                                                      The body text of this question gives me the impression that you intend to send out some of these applications without full, informed consent from your partner. If that impression is right, then it is both unethical and likely to cause problems from a practical standpoint.



                                                      It is one thing to provide assistance to someone who asks for it in finding a job, and another to act as an "officious inter-meddler" and foist your help on someone who doesn't want it. Sending out applications without your partner's full informed consent is improperly concealing information from your partner and the potential employer since the employer will reasonably expect that the application at least came from an authorized agent of the applicant.



                                                      Moreover, it will likely not end well at all. Your partner will end up with interviews for jobs they are not likely to be interested in or prepared for and that will waste everyone's time, at best.






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                                                      • An employment service or a recruiter specifically has permission to assist a candidate in trying to find a job. They also play an active role in the process.

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                                                      In answer to the title question, yes it is generally ethically permitted.



                                                      There is nothing inherently unethical in applying for a job on someone else's behalf. This is in essence what some job placement services do and not that different from what some recruiters do. It is not hard to find services that will write your resume for you and submitting the application is essentially an administrative step.



                                                      Writing a cover letter is a bit more of a grey area because people expect that to be something more of a personal statement. But while writing a cover letter for someone is pushing the boundary, providing advice and editing, even extensive advice and editing, on a cover letter after they write the core content is very common and generally accepted. It is also noteworthy that cover letters are usually optional.



                                                      Creating a writing sample for someone else if one is required would definitely be crossing the line and unethical. However, even there providing general advice and light editing is normally accepted unless the requester specifically forbids that. I normally use an excerpt from some of my publications as my writing sample. While the core of the work is mine, those have obviously been edited by skilled editors and the editor is thanked by name in the footnote of the first page of the published piece which is included in the sample.



                                                      Of course, if there is some sort of screening test you absolutely cannot provide any direct help on that test. That would clearly be unethical. But those normally come after the initial application stage.



                                                      In your particular situation, probably not, or at least not without your partner's explicit consent and cooperation.



                                                      The body text of this question gives me the impression that you intend to send out some of these applications without full, informed consent from your partner. If that impression is right, then it is both unethical and likely to cause problems from a practical standpoint.



                                                      It is one thing to provide assistance to someone who asks for it in finding a job, and another to act as an "officious inter-meddler" and foist your help on someone who doesn't want it. Sending out applications without your partner's full informed consent is improperly concealing information from your partner and the potential employer since the employer will reasonably expect that the application at least came from an authorized agent of the applicant.



                                                      Moreover, it will likely not end well at all. Your partner will end up with interviews for jobs they are not likely to be interested in or prepared for and that will waste everyone's time, at best.






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                                                      In answer to the title question, yes it is generally ethically permitted.



                                                      There is nothing inherently unethical in applying for a job on someone else's behalf. This is in essence what some job placement services do and not that different from what some recruiters do. It is not hard to find services that will write your resume for you and submitting the application is essentially an administrative step.



                                                      Writing a cover letter is a bit more of a grey area because people expect that to be something more of a personal statement. But while writing a cover letter for someone is pushing the boundary, providing advice and editing, even extensive advice and editing, on a cover letter after they write the core content is very common and generally accepted. It is also noteworthy that cover letters are usually optional.



                                                      Creating a writing sample for someone else if one is required would definitely be crossing the line and unethical. However, even there providing general advice and light editing is normally accepted unless the requester specifically forbids that. I normally use an excerpt from some of my publications as my writing sample. While the core of the work is mine, those have obviously been edited by skilled editors and the editor is thanked by name in the footnote of the first page of the published piece which is included in the sample.



                                                      Of course, if there is some sort of screening test you absolutely cannot provide any direct help on that test. That would clearly be unethical. But those normally come after the initial application stage.



                                                      In your particular situation, probably not, or at least not without your partner's explicit consent and cooperation.



                                                      The body text of this question gives me the impression that you intend to send out some of these applications without full, informed consent from your partner. If that impression is right, then it is both unethical and likely to cause problems from a practical standpoint.



                                                      It is one thing to provide assistance to someone who asks for it in finding a job, and another to act as an "officious inter-meddler" and foist your help on someone who doesn't want it. Sending out applications without your partner's full informed consent is improperly concealing information from your partner and the potential employer since the employer will reasonably expect that the application at least came from an authorized agent of the applicant.



                                                      Moreover, it will likely not end well at all. Your partner will end up with interviews for jobs they are not likely to be interested in or prepared for and that will waste everyone's time, at best.







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                                                      • An employment service or a recruiter specifically has permission to assist a candidate in trying to find a job. They also play an active role in the process.

                                                        – PoloHoleSet
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                                                      • An employment service or a recruiter specifically has permission to assist a candidate in trying to find a job. They also play an active role in the process.

                                                        – PoloHoleSet
                                                        18 hours ago

















                                                      An employment service or a recruiter specifically has permission to assist a candidate in trying to find a job. They also play an active role in the process.

                                                      – PoloHoleSet
                                                      18 hours ago





                                                      An employment service or a recruiter specifically has permission to assist a candidate in trying to find a job. They also play an active role in the process.

                                                      – PoloHoleSet
                                                      18 hours ago











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                                                      If you submit an application that asserts, or is designed to give the impression, that you partner submitted the application, then you are lying. It breaches an ethical duty towards the company, in that you are misleading them, and to your partner, in that you are making false assertions about her and refusing to accept her agency. As poor as you think her behavior is, it is her choice, and you don't have the right to override that. The term "partner" refers to equals, and if you start making decisions based on what you have decided is "best for her", then you're not treating her as an equal.



                                                      It is extremely unlikely to be successful, as your partner will still have to go through the rest of the process, and will not only not be motivated to begin with, but will likely be resentful of you for being dishonest. In addition, if she ever does regain her motivation, she is likely to find a lot of bridges burnt, with employers unwilling to accept further applications from someone who wasted their time previously.






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                                                        If you submit an application that asserts, or is designed to give the impression, that you partner submitted the application, then you are lying. It breaches an ethical duty towards the company, in that you are misleading them, and to your partner, in that you are making false assertions about her and refusing to accept her agency. As poor as you think her behavior is, it is her choice, and you don't have the right to override that. The term "partner" refers to equals, and if you start making decisions based on what you have decided is "best for her", then you're not treating her as an equal.



                                                        It is extremely unlikely to be successful, as your partner will still have to go through the rest of the process, and will not only not be motivated to begin with, but will likely be resentful of you for being dishonest. In addition, if she ever does regain her motivation, she is likely to find a lot of bridges burnt, with employers unwilling to accept further applications from someone who wasted their time previously.






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                                                          If you submit an application that asserts, or is designed to give the impression, that you partner submitted the application, then you are lying. It breaches an ethical duty towards the company, in that you are misleading them, and to your partner, in that you are making false assertions about her and refusing to accept her agency. As poor as you think her behavior is, it is her choice, and you don't have the right to override that. The term "partner" refers to equals, and if you start making decisions based on what you have decided is "best for her", then you're not treating her as an equal.



                                                          It is extremely unlikely to be successful, as your partner will still have to go through the rest of the process, and will not only not be motivated to begin with, but will likely be resentful of you for being dishonest. In addition, if she ever does regain her motivation, she is likely to find a lot of bridges burnt, with employers unwilling to accept further applications from someone who wasted their time previously.






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                                                          If you submit an application that asserts, or is designed to give the impression, that you partner submitted the application, then you are lying. It breaches an ethical duty towards the company, in that you are misleading them, and to your partner, in that you are making false assertions about her and refusing to accept her agency. As poor as you think her behavior is, it is her choice, and you don't have the right to override that. The term "partner" refers to equals, and if you start making decisions based on what you have decided is "best for her", then you're not treating her as an equal.



                                                          It is extremely unlikely to be successful, as your partner will still have to go through the rest of the process, and will not only not be motivated to begin with, but will likely be resentful of you for being dishonest. In addition, if she ever does regain her motivation, she is likely to find a lot of bridges burnt, with employers unwilling to accept further applications from someone who wasted their time previously.







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