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Is it acceptable to not hire jews in an industry where jews predominantly hire jews?



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Title is perhaps a bit confusing, but let me explain:



I live and work in Boston (software development industry). We have a large congregation of Jewish people, and, in the industry, there's a clear trend of Jewish managers hiring Jewish coders. I know certain examples of companies that I've consulted with where pretty much every coder is Jewish, and even in the cases where it's not that extreme, one of the industry's secrets is that if you are Jewish, then work for a company with a Jewish manager, because you'll rise in the ranks faster.



Now, I understand that racial minorities tend to be discriminated against, and therefore, one way to fix that problem is to perform some sort of 'affirmative action' .... but the problem is, Jewish people are NOT discriminated against. There's absolutely no negative perception against Jewish people in our industry (or against Jewish people in Boston generally speaking), and indeed Jewish people tend to be uniformly hired by non-Jewish managers as well. (The ones that are discriminated against, I would suspect, tend to be women and/or black).



So, with that in mind, is it appropiate if I hire predominantly non-Jewish coders? I mean, after all, they tend to get jobs instantly elsewhere, so is it not more fair that I also selectively ignore them? If I don't do this, and nobody does either, the industry will become quite skewed in its hiring trends.



I know it sounds "bad", but think about it. Say a Jewish and a black applicant applies for a job at my company. If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew.









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    Why does it matter if they're Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, etc.? Why are you looking at/thinking about that at all? You should be hiring the best candidate for the job.

    – joeqwerty
    32 mins ago






  • 3





    If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew. - Wow. feed into stereotypes much?

    – joeqwerty
    31 mins ago






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    Is it ok to discriminate against Jews? No.

    – DaveG
    25 mins ago






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    ...Shut it down

    – rath
    10 mins ago






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    I live in Boston and work in the software development industry as well and I have no idea what you're talking about.

    – MikeTheLiar
    2 mins ago


















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Title is perhaps a bit confusing, but let me explain:



I live and work in Boston (software development industry). We have a large congregation of Jewish people, and, in the industry, there's a clear trend of Jewish managers hiring Jewish coders. I know certain examples of companies that I've consulted with where pretty much every coder is Jewish, and even in the cases where it's not that extreme, one of the industry's secrets is that if you are Jewish, then work for a company with a Jewish manager, because you'll rise in the ranks faster.



Now, I understand that racial minorities tend to be discriminated against, and therefore, one way to fix that problem is to perform some sort of 'affirmative action' .... but the problem is, Jewish people are NOT discriminated against. There's absolutely no negative perception against Jewish people in our industry (or against Jewish people in Boston generally speaking), and indeed Jewish people tend to be uniformly hired by non-Jewish managers as well. (The ones that are discriminated against, I would suspect, tend to be women and/or black).



So, with that in mind, is it appropiate if I hire predominantly non-Jewish coders? I mean, after all, they tend to get jobs instantly elsewhere, so is it not more fair that I also selectively ignore them? If I don't do this, and nobody does either, the industry will become quite skewed in its hiring trends.



I know it sounds "bad", but think about it. Say a Jewish and a black applicant applies for a job at my company. If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew.









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  • 2





    Why does it matter if they're Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, etc.? Why are you looking at/thinking about that at all? You should be hiring the best candidate for the job.

    – joeqwerty
    32 mins ago






  • 3





    If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew. - Wow. feed into stereotypes much?

    – joeqwerty
    31 mins ago






  • 5





    Is it ok to discriminate against Jews? No.

    – DaveG
    25 mins ago






  • 1





    ...Shut it down

    – rath
    10 mins ago






  • 2





    I live in Boston and work in the software development industry as well and I have no idea what you're talking about.

    – MikeTheLiar
    2 mins ago
















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Title is perhaps a bit confusing, but let me explain:



I live and work in Boston (software development industry). We have a large congregation of Jewish people, and, in the industry, there's a clear trend of Jewish managers hiring Jewish coders. I know certain examples of companies that I've consulted with where pretty much every coder is Jewish, and even in the cases where it's not that extreme, one of the industry's secrets is that if you are Jewish, then work for a company with a Jewish manager, because you'll rise in the ranks faster.



Now, I understand that racial minorities tend to be discriminated against, and therefore, one way to fix that problem is to perform some sort of 'affirmative action' .... but the problem is, Jewish people are NOT discriminated against. There's absolutely no negative perception against Jewish people in our industry (or against Jewish people in Boston generally speaking), and indeed Jewish people tend to be uniformly hired by non-Jewish managers as well. (The ones that are discriminated against, I would suspect, tend to be women and/or black).



So, with that in mind, is it appropiate if I hire predominantly non-Jewish coders? I mean, after all, they tend to get jobs instantly elsewhere, so is it not more fair that I also selectively ignore them? If I don't do this, and nobody does either, the industry will become quite skewed in its hiring trends.



I know it sounds "bad", but think about it. Say a Jewish and a black applicant applies for a job at my company. If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew.









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Title is perhaps a bit confusing, but let me explain:



I live and work in Boston (software development industry). We have a large congregation of Jewish people, and, in the industry, there's a clear trend of Jewish managers hiring Jewish coders. I know certain examples of companies that I've consulted with where pretty much every coder is Jewish, and even in the cases where it's not that extreme, one of the industry's secrets is that if you are Jewish, then work for a company with a Jewish manager, because you'll rise in the ranks faster.



Now, I understand that racial minorities tend to be discriminated against, and therefore, one way to fix that problem is to perform some sort of 'affirmative action' .... but the problem is, Jewish people are NOT discriminated against. There's absolutely no negative perception against Jewish people in our industry (or against Jewish people in Boston generally speaking), and indeed Jewish people tend to be uniformly hired by non-Jewish managers as well. (The ones that are discriminated against, I would suspect, tend to be women and/or black).



So, with that in mind, is it appropiate if I hire predominantly non-Jewish coders? I mean, after all, they tend to get jobs instantly elsewhere, so is it not more fair that I also selectively ignore them? If I don't do this, and nobody does either, the industry will become quite skewed in its hiring trends.



I know it sounds "bad", but think about it. Say a Jewish and a black applicant applies for a job at my company. If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew.







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  • 2





    Why does it matter if they're Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, etc.? Why are you looking at/thinking about that at all? You should be hiring the best candidate for the job.

    – joeqwerty
    32 mins ago






  • 3





    If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew. - Wow. feed into stereotypes much?

    – joeqwerty
    31 mins ago






  • 5





    Is it ok to discriminate against Jews? No.

    – DaveG
    25 mins ago






  • 1





    ...Shut it down

    – rath
    10 mins ago






  • 2





    I live in Boston and work in the software development industry as well and I have no idea what you're talking about.

    – MikeTheLiar
    2 mins ago
















  • 2





    Why does it matter if they're Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, etc.? Why are you looking at/thinking about that at all? You should be hiring the best candidate for the job.

    – joeqwerty
    32 mins ago






  • 3





    If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew. - Wow. feed into stereotypes much?

    – joeqwerty
    31 mins ago






  • 5





    Is it ok to discriminate against Jews? No.

    – DaveG
    25 mins ago






  • 1





    ...Shut it down

    – rath
    10 mins ago






  • 2





    I live in Boston and work in the software development industry as well and I have no idea what you're talking about.

    – MikeTheLiar
    2 mins ago










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Why does it matter if they're Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, etc.? Why are you looking at/thinking about that at all? You should be hiring the best candidate for the job.

– joeqwerty
32 mins ago





Why does it matter if they're Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, etc.? Why are you looking at/thinking about that at all? You should be hiring the best candidate for the job.

– joeqwerty
32 mins ago




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If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew. - Wow. feed into stereotypes much?

– joeqwerty
31 mins ago





If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew. - Wow. feed into stereotypes much?

– joeqwerty
31 mins ago




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Is it ok to discriminate against Jews? No.

– DaveG
25 mins ago





Is it ok to discriminate against Jews? No.

– DaveG
25 mins ago




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1





...Shut it down

– rath
10 mins ago





...Shut it down

– rath
10 mins ago




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I live in Boston and work in the software development industry as well and I have no idea what you're talking about.

– MikeTheLiar
2 mins ago







I live in Boston and work in the software development industry as well and I have no idea what you're talking about.

– MikeTheLiar
2 mins ago












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You should hire the candidate that is best qualified and the best fit for the position being offered regardless of their sex/race/religion...etc. Doing otherwise could result in a potential lawsuit for your company.






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    If job applicants from ethnic minority X are being selectively and preferentially hired by other companies in your area then you will naturally have fewer applications from minority X applicants.

    Assuming other factors are equal, this will lead to you hiring fewer minority X employees, simply because there are fewer of them available for you to hire.



    There is no problem here for you to solve.

    Simply hire the best applicant for the position.






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      This question is using demographics and stereotypes to form a case.



      You hire the person who can and will do the job the best. The person who is the best fit for the job and if it happens to be someone of Jewish descent then maybe the reason for this "trend" is that they are more technically able in general.



      Your company may also suffer legal issues for discrimination if you deliberately hire people who aren't Jewish simply because of the fact that you didn't want to hire the Jewish person.






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        In addition to already great answers, I would add that it doesn't solve the problem at all. It worsens the situation.




        If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew.




        If every non-jewish stop hiring jewish people, maybe jewish will find another job, but only with a jewish manager. You just make the segregation bigger.






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          There's a very easy way to save yourself a lot of mental and legal hassle:



          Don't worry about it.




          • It's not your place to right the wrongs of Jewish hiring managers.

          • It's not your place to tip the cosmic balance of non-Jewish programmers.

          • It's not your place to consider your applicant's demographics when hiring.


          Follow those simple rules, substitute Jew with whatever other demographic piques your fancy at any given time, and you'll be just fine. Yalla.





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            As a company with non-Jewish management, you should promote diversity and provide equal opportunities for all candidates, regardless of their race, nationality, religion, gender, physical or mental disabilities (unless you want a lawsuit filled against you). And you shouldn't bother yourself with practices of companies with Jewish management, they may selectively hire Jewish candidates but that's their choice.



            Think of it the following way. The co-existence of companies with diverse staff and companies with predominantly Jewish staff brings even more diversity into the industry.






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              You should hire the candidate that is best qualified and the best fit for the position being offered regardless of their sex/race/religion...etc. Doing otherwise could result in a potential lawsuit for your company.






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                You should hire the candidate that is best qualified and the best fit for the position being offered regardless of their sex/race/religion...etc. Doing otherwise could result in a potential lawsuit for your company.






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                  You should hire the candidate that is best qualified and the best fit for the position being offered regardless of their sex/race/religion...etc. Doing otherwise could result in a potential lawsuit for your company.






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                  You should hire the candidate that is best qualified and the best fit for the position being offered regardless of their sex/race/religion...etc. Doing otherwise could result in a potential lawsuit for your company.







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                      If job applicants from ethnic minority X are being selectively and preferentially hired by other companies in your area then you will naturally have fewer applications from minority X applicants.

                      Assuming other factors are equal, this will lead to you hiring fewer minority X employees, simply because there are fewer of them available for you to hire.



                      There is no problem here for you to solve.

                      Simply hire the best applicant for the position.






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                        If job applicants from ethnic minority X are being selectively and preferentially hired by other companies in your area then you will naturally have fewer applications from minority X applicants.

                        Assuming other factors are equal, this will lead to you hiring fewer minority X employees, simply because there are fewer of them available for you to hire.



                        There is no problem here for you to solve.

                        Simply hire the best applicant for the position.






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                          If job applicants from ethnic minority X are being selectively and preferentially hired by other companies in your area then you will naturally have fewer applications from minority X applicants.

                          Assuming other factors are equal, this will lead to you hiring fewer minority X employees, simply because there are fewer of them available for you to hire.



                          There is no problem here for you to solve.

                          Simply hire the best applicant for the position.






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                          If job applicants from ethnic minority X are being selectively and preferentially hired by other companies in your area then you will naturally have fewer applications from minority X applicants.

                          Assuming other factors are equal, this will lead to you hiring fewer minority X employees, simply because there are fewer of them available for you to hire.



                          There is no problem here for you to solve.

                          Simply hire the best applicant for the position.







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                              This question is using demographics and stereotypes to form a case.



                              You hire the person who can and will do the job the best. The person who is the best fit for the job and if it happens to be someone of Jewish descent then maybe the reason for this "trend" is that they are more technically able in general.



                              Your company may also suffer legal issues for discrimination if you deliberately hire people who aren't Jewish simply because of the fact that you didn't want to hire the Jewish person.






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                                This question is using demographics and stereotypes to form a case.



                                You hire the person who can and will do the job the best. The person who is the best fit for the job and if it happens to be someone of Jewish descent then maybe the reason for this "trend" is that they are more technically able in general.



                                Your company may also suffer legal issues for discrimination if you deliberately hire people who aren't Jewish simply because of the fact that you didn't want to hire the Jewish person.






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                                  This question is using demographics and stereotypes to form a case.



                                  You hire the person who can and will do the job the best. The person who is the best fit for the job and if it happens to be someone of Jewish descent then maybe the reason for this "trend" is that they are more technically able in general.



                                  Your company may also suffer legal issues for discrimination if you deliberately hire people who aren't Jewish simply because of the fact that you didn't want to hire the Jewish person.






                                  share|improve this answer













                                  This question is using demographics and stereotypes to form a case.



                                  You hire the person who can and will do the job the best. The person who is the best fit for the job and if it happens to be someone of Jewish descent then maybe the reason for this "trend" is that they are more technically able in general.



                                  Your company may also suffer legal issues for discrimination if you deliberately hire people who aren't Jewish simply because of the fact that you didn't want to hire the Jewish person.







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                                      In addition to already great answers, I would add that it doesn't solve the problem at all. It worsens the situation.




                                      If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew.




                                      If every non-jewish stop hiring jewish people, maybe jewish will find another job, but only with a jewish manager. You just make the segregation bigger.






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                                        In addition to already great answers, I would add that it doesn't solve the problem at all. It worsens the situation.




                                        If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew.




                                        If every non-jewish stop hiring jewish people, maybe jewish will find another job, but only with a jewish manager. You just make the segregation bigger.






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                                          In addition to already great answers, I would add that it doesn't solve the problem at all. It worsens the situation.




                                          If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew.




                                          If every non-jewish stop hiring jewish people, maybe jewish will find another job, but only with a jewish manager. You just make the segregation bigger.






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                                          In addition to already great answers, I would add that it doesn't solve the problem at all. It worsens the situation.




                                          If I don't hire the Jewish applicant, he'll go to any other company and probably get a job immediately. But if I don't hire the black applicant, he won't be able to find another one quite as easily as the Jew.




                                          If every non-jewish stop hiring jewish people, maybe jewish will find another job, but only with a jewish manager. You just make the segregation bigger.







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                                              There's a very easy way to save yourself a lot of mental and legal hassle:



                                              Don't worry about it.




                                              • It's not your place to right the wrongs of Jewish hiring managers.

                                              • It's not your place to tip the cosmic balance of non-Jewish programmers.

                                              • It's not your place to consider your applicant's demographics when hiring.


                                              Follow those simple rules, substitute Jew with whatever other demographic piques your fancy at any given time, and you'll be just fine. Yalla.





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                                                There's a very easy way to save yourself a lot of mental and legal hassle:



                                                Don't worry about it.




                                                • It's not your place to right the wrongs of Jewish hiring managers.

                                                • It's not your place to tip the cosmic balance of non-Jewish programmers.

                                                • It's not your place to consider your applicant's demographics when hiring.


                                                Follow those simple rules, substitute Jew with whatever other demographic piques your fancy at any given time, and you'll be just fine. Yalla.





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                                                  There's a very easy way to save yourself a lot of mental and legal hassle:



                                                  Don't worry about it.




                                                  • It's not your place to right the wrongs of Jewish hiring managers.

                                                  • It's not your place to tip the cosmic balance of non-Jewish programmers.

                                                  • It's not your place to consider your applicant's demographics when hiring.


                                                  Follow those simple rules, substitute Jew with whatever other demographic piques your fancy at any given time, and you'll be just fine. Yalla.





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                                                  There's a very easy way to save yourself a lot of mental and legal hassle:



                                                  Don't worry about it.




                                                  • It's not your place to right the wrongs of Jewish hiring managers.

                                                  • It's not your place to tip the cosmic balance of non-Jewish programmers.

                                                  • It's not your place to consider your applicant's demographics when hiring.


                                                  Follow those simple rules, substitute Jew with whatever other demographic piques your fancy at any given time, and you'll be just fine. Yalla.






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                                                      As a company with non-Jewish management, you should promote diversity and provide equal opportunities for all candidates, regardless of their race, nationality, religion, gender, physical or mental disabilities (unless you want a lawsuit filled against you). And you shouldn't bother yourself with practices of companies with Jewish management, they may selectively hire Jewish candidates but that's their choice.



                                                      Think of it the following way. The co-existence of companies with diverse staff and companies with predominantly Jewish staff brings even more diversity into the industry.






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                                                        As a company with non-Jewish management, you should promote diversity and provide equal opportunities for all candidates, regardless of their race, nationality, religion, gender, physical or mental disabilities (unless you want a lawsuit filled against you). And you shouldn't bother yourself with practices of companies with Jewish management, they may selectively hire Jewish candidates but that's their choice.



                                                        Think of it the following way. The co-existence of companies with diverse staff and companies with predominantly Jewish staff brings even more diversity into the industry.






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                                                          As a company with non-Jewish management, you should promote diversity and provide equal opportunities for all candidates, regardless of their race, nationality, religion, gender, physical or mental disabilities (unless you want a lawsuit filled against you). And you shouldn't bother yourself with practices of companies with Jewish management, they may selectively hire Jewish candidates but that's their choice.



                                                          Think of it the following way. The co-existence of companies with diverse staff and companies with predominantly Jewish staff brings even more diversity into the industry.






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                                                          As a company with non-Jewish management, you should promote diversity and provide equal opportunities for all candidates, regardless of their race, nationality, religion, gender, physical or mental disabilities (unless you want a lawsuit filled against you). And you shouldn't bother yourself with practices of companies with Jewish management, they may selectively hire Jewish candidates but that's their choice.



                                                          Think of it the following way. The co-existence of companies with diverse staff and companies with predominantly Jewish staff brings even more diversity into the industry.







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