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Abstract algebra subgroup proof verification
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This is my first attempt at a formally written proof so I would appreciate any pointers as far as proof-writing technique or the validity of the actual proof itself.
Note: I have not formally taken abstract algebra or a proof-writing course so I am sure that I am lacking in many proof-writing aspects, so I would really love a lot of constructive criticism both on the actual proof itself, and the way I wrote the proof. I also go into greater detail than might be appropriate for this type of proof because I am shaky on a lot of the math foundations so I figure that any imperfections in my knowledge will be more easily seen with a more explicit construction of this proof. Thank you all in advance.
Let $G$ be a finite group, and let $S$ be a nonempty subset of $G$. Suppose $S$ is closed with respect to multiplication. Prove that $S$ is a subgroup of $G$. (HINT: It remains to prove that $S$ contains $e$ and is closed with respect to inverses. Let $S$ = {$a_1$ ... $a_n$}. If $a_i$ $∈$ $S$, consider the distinct elements $a_ia_1$, $a_ia_2$, $...$ $a_ia_n$
Proof:
First we will define a function $A_1 : S rightarrow S$ that maps $s mapsto a_1s$. This function is injective because $$a_1y = a_1x$$ $$a^{-1}_1a^1y = a^{-1}_1a_1x$$ $$y = x$$
The function is then surjective because $A_1(S) subseteq S$ and since $A_1$ is injective, it contains $|S|$ elements. Therefore $A_1$ maps onto every element in $S$ and is therefore surjective as well.
This means that $a_1$ is in the image of $A_1$. Therefore $$A_1(a_1) = a_1$$ $$a_1s = a_1$$ $$s = e$$
Since $S$ is closed under multiplication, $e in S$.
Next, we will define a function $A_2 : S rightarrow S$ that maps $s mapsto a^2_1s$. This function is also injective $$a^2_1x = a^2_1y$$ $$x = y$$
It follows that this function is also surjective since it too is injective and contains |S| elements.
This means that $a_1$ is in the image of $A_2$ as well. Therefore $$A_2(z) = a_1$$ $$a^2_1z = a_1$$ $$z = a^{-1}_1$$
Since $S$ is closed under multiplication $a^{-1}_1 in S$.
Therefore $e, a^{-1}_1 in S$ so $S$ is a subgroup of $G$.
Please tear this apart! Thanks in advance.
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This is my first attempt at a formally written proof so I would appreciate any pointers as far as proof-writing technique or the validity of the actual proof itself.
Note: I have not formally taken abstract algebra or a proof-writing course so I am sure that I am lacking in many proof-writing aspects, so I would really love a lot of constructive criticism both on the actual proof itself, and the way I wrote the proof. I also go into greater detail than might be appropriate for this type of proof because I am shaky on a lot of the math foundations so I figure that any imperfections in my knowledge will be more easily seen with a more explicit construction of this proof. Thank you all in advance.
Let $G$ be a finite group, and let $S$ be a nonempty subset of $G$. Suppose $S$ is closed with respect to multiplication. Prove that $S$ is a subgroup of $G$. (HINT: It remains to prove that $S$ contains $e$ and is closed with respect to inverses. Let $S$ = {$a_1$ ... $a_n$}. If $a_i$ $∈$ $S$, consider the distinct elements $a_ia_1$, $a_ia_2$, $...$ $a_ia_n$
Proof:
First we will define a function $A_1 : S rightarrow S$ that maps $s mapsto a_1s$. This function is injective because $$a_1y = a_1x$$ $$a^{-1}_1a^1y = a^{-1}_1a_1x$$ $$y = x$$
The function is then surjective because $A_1(S) subseteq S$ and since $A_1$ is injective, it contains $|S|$ elements. Therefore $A_1$ maps onto every element in $S$ and is therefore surjective as well.
This means that $a_1$ is in the image of $A_1$. Therefore $$A_1(a_1) = a_1$$ $$a_1s = a_1$$ $$s = e$$
Since $S$ is closed under multiplication, $e in S$.
Next, we will define a function $A_2 : S rightarrow S$ that maps $s mapsto a^2_1s$. This function is also injective $$a^2_1x = a^2_1y$$ $$x = y$$
It follows that this function is also surjective since it too is injective and contains |S| elements.
This means that $a_1$ is in the image of $A_2$ as well. Therefore $$A_2(z) = a_1$$ $$a^2_1z = a_1$$ $$z = a^{-1}_1$$
Since $S$ is closed under multiplication $a^{-1}_1 in S$.
Therefore $e, a^{-1}_1 in S$ so $S$ is a subgroup of $G$.
Please tear this apart! Thanks in advance.
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This is my first attempt at a formally written proof so I would appreciate any pointers as far as proof-writing technique or the validity of the actual proof itself.
Note: I have not formally taken abstract algebra or a proof-writing course so I am sure that I am lacking in many proof-writing aspects, so I would really love a lot of constructive criticism both on the actual proof itself, and the way I wrote the proof. I also go into greater detail than might be appropriate for this type of proof because I am shaky on a lot of the math foundations so I figure that any imperfections in my knowledge will be more easily seen with a more explicit construction of this proof. Thank you all in advance.
Let $G$ be a finite group, and let $S$ be a nonempty subset of $G$. Suppose $S$ is closed with respect to multiplication. Prove that $S$ is a subgroup of $G$. (HINT: It remains to prove that $S$ contains $e$ and is closed with respect to inverses. Let $S$ = {$a_1$ ... $a_n$}. If $a_i$ $∈$ $S$, consider the distinct elements $a_ia_1$, $a_ia_2$, $...$ $a_ia_n$
Proof:
First we will define a function $A_1 : S rightarrow S$ that maps $s mapsto a_1s$. This function is injective because $$a_1y = a_1x$$ $$a^{-1}_1a^1y = a^{-1}_1a_1x$$ $$y = x$$
The function is then surjective because $A_1(S) subseteq S$ and since $A_1$ is injective, it contains $|S|$ elements. Therefore $A_1$ maps onto every element in $S$ and is therefore surjective as well.
This means that $a_1$ is in the image of $A_1$. Therefore $$A_1(a_1) = a_1$$ $$a_1s = a_1$$ $$s = e$$
Since $S$ is closed under multiplication, $e in S$.
Next, we will define a function $A_2 : S rightarrow S$ that maps $s mapsto a^2_1s$. This function is also injective $$a^2_1x = a^2_1y$$ $$x = y$$
It follows that this function is also surjective since it too is injective and contains |S| elements.
This means that $a_1$ is in the image of $A_2$ as well. Therefore $$A_2(z) = a_1$$ $$a^2_1z = a_1$$ $$z = a^{-1}_1$$
Since $S$ is closed under multiplication $a^{-1}_1 in S$.
Therefore $e, a^{-1}_1 in S$ so $S$ is a subgroup of $G$.
Please tear this apart! Thanks in advance.
abstract-algebra group-theory proof-verification proof-writing finite-groups
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This is my first attempt at a formally written proof so I would appreciate any pointers as far as proof-writing technique or the validity of the actual proof itself.
Note: I have not formally taken abstract algebra or a proof-writing course so I am sure that I am lacking in many proof-writing aspects, so I would really love a lot of constructive criticism both on the actual proof itself, and the way I wrote the proof. I also go into greater detail than might be appropriate for this type of proof because I am shaky on a lot of the math foundations so I figure that any imperfections in my knowledge will be more easily seen with a more explicit construction of this proof. Thank you all in advance.
Let $G$ be a finite group, and let $S$ be a nonempty subset of $G$. Suppose $S$ is closed with respect to multiplication. Prove that $S$ is a subgroup of $G$. (HINT: It remains to prove that $S$ contains $e$ and is closed with respect to inverses. Let $S$ = {$a_1$ ... $a_n$}. If $a_i$ $∈$ $S$, consider the distinct elements $a_ia_1$, $a_ia_2$, $...$ $a_ia_n$
Proof:
First we will define a function $A_1 : S rightarrow S$ that maps $s mapsto a_1s$. This function is injective because $$a_1y = a_1x$$ $$a^{-1}_1a^1y = a^{-1}_1a_1x$$ $$y = x$$
The function is then surjective because $A_1(S) subseteq S$ and since $A_1$ is injective, it contains $|S|$ elements. Therefore $A_1$ maps onto every element in $S$ and is therefore surjective as well.
This means that $a_1$ is in the image of $A_1$. Therefore $$A_1(a_1) = a_1$$ $$a_1s = a_1$$ $$s = e$$
Since $S$ is closed under multiplication, $e in S$.
Next, we will define a function $A_2 : S rightarrow S$ that maps $s mapsto a^2_1s$. This function is also injective $$a^2_1x = a^2_1y$$ $$x = y$$
It follows that this function is also surjective since it too is injective and contains |S| elements.
This means that $a_1$ is in the image of $A_2$ as well. Therefore $$A_2(z) = a_1$$ $$a^2_1z = a_1$$ $$z = a^{-1}_1$$
Since $S$ is closed under multiplication $a^{-1}_1 in S$.
Therefore $e, a^{-1}_1 in S$ so $S$ is a subgroup of $G$.
Please tear this apart! Thanks in advance.
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You don't need to use the second map $A_2$. Once you know that $e in S$, you know by the first part of your proof that $A_1$ is surjective, so for some $s in S, a_1s=e$. Then $s=a^{-1}$.
Another way to prove this result, by the way, is to just take all possible powers of $a_1$, which all are contained within $S$ because $S$ is multiplicatively closed. They have to repeat at some point because $S$ is finite. If $a^m=a^{m+k}=a^ma^k$, then $a^k=e in S$, and $aa^{k-1}=a^k=e Rightarrow a^{k-1}=a^{-1} in S$.
As for proof-writing, one small nit. I don't think the line $A_1(a_1) = a_1$ conveys your intended meaning. I think you mean to say $a_1 in A_1(S)$.
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The proof presented here by our OP ForIgreaterthan_I appears to be logically valid; indeed, I like it because it is clever and innovative.
The way I would approach this, which alas is standard and not in fact overly clever, being as it is indeed rather obvious and straightforward, is as follows:
Let
$s in S; tag 1$
consider the powers
$s^i in S; tag 2$
since
$S subset G tag 3$
and
$vert G vert < infty, tag 4$
we have
$vert S vert < infty tag 5$
as well; thus the sequence
$s, s^2, s^3, ldots, s^i, s^{i + 1}, ldots tag 6$
must repeat itself at some point; that is,
$exists k, l in Bbb N, ; l ge k + 1, tag 7$
with
$s^l = s^k; tag 8$
then
$s^{l - k} = e; tag 9$
thus
$e = s^{l - k} in S; tag{10}$
it follows then that
$s^{l - k - 1}s = e tag{11}$
and clearly
$s^{l - k - 1} in S; tag{12}$
thus the group identity $e in S$, and every $s in S$ has an inverse in $S$; $S$ is thus a subgroup of $G$.
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You don't need to use the second map $A_2$. Once you know that $e in S$, you know by the first part of your proof that $A_1$ is surjective, so for some $s in S, a_1s=e$. Then $s=a^{-1}$.
Another way to prove this result, by the way, is to just take all possible powers of $a_1$, which all are contained within $S$ because $S$ is multiplicatively closed. They have to repeat at some point because $S$ is finite. If $a^m=a^{m+k}=a^ma^k$, then $a^k=e in S$, and $aa^{k-1}=a^k=e Rightarrow a^{k-1}=a^{-1} in S$.
As for proof-writing, one small nit. I don't think the line $A_1(a_1) = a_1$ conveys your intended meaning. I think you mean to say $a_1 in A_1(S)$.
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You don't need to use the second map $A_2$. Once you know that $e in S$, you know by the first part of your proof that $A_1$ is surjective, so for some $s in S, a_1s=e$. Then $s=a^{-1}$.
Another way to prove this result, by the way, is to just take all possible powers of $a_1$, which all are contained within $S$ because $S$ is multiplicatively closed. They have to repeat at some point because $S$ is finite. If $a^m=a^{m+k}=a^ma^k$, then $a^k=e in S$, and $aa^{k-1}=a^k=e Rightarrow a^{k-1}=a^{-1} in S$.
As for proof-writing, one small nit. I don't think the line $A_1(a_1) = a_1$ conveys your intended meaning. I think you mean to say $a_1 in A_1(S)$.
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You don't need to use the second map $A_2$. Once you know that $e in S$, you know by the first part of your proof that $A_1$ is surjective, so for some $s in S, a_1s=e$. Then $s=a^{-1}$.
Another way to prove this result, by the way, is to just take all possible powers of $a_1$, which all are contained within $S$ because $S$ is multiplicatively closed. They have to repeat at some point because $S$ is finite. If $a^m=a^{m+k}=a^ma^k$, then $a^k=e in S$, and $aa^{k-1}=a^k=e Rightarrow a^{k-1}=a^{-1} in S$.
As for proof-writing, one small nit. I don't think the line $A_1(a_1) = a_1$ conveys your intended meaning. I think you mean to say $a_1 in A_1(S)$.
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You don't need to use the second map $A_2$. Once you know that $e in S$, you know by the first part of your proof that $A_1$ is surjective, so for some $s in S, a_1s=e$. Then $s=a^{-1}$.
Another way to prove this result, by the way, is to just take all possible powers of $a_1$, which all are contained within $S$ because $S$ is multiplicatively closed. They have to repeat at some point because $S$ is finite. If $a^m=a^{m+k}=a^ma^k$, then $a^k=e in S$, and $aa^{k-1}=a^k=e Rightarrow a^{k-1}=a^{-1} in S$.
As for proof-writing, one small nit. I don't think the line $A_1(a_1) = a_1$ conveys your intended meaning. I think you mean to say $a_1 in A_1(S)$.
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The proof presented here by our OP ForIgreaterthan_I appears to be logically valid; indeed, I like it because it is clever and innovative.
The way I would approach this, which alas is standard and not in fact overly clever, being as it is indeed rather obvious and straightforward, is as follows:
Let
$s in S; tag 1$
consider the powers
$s^i in S; tag 2$
since
$S subset G tag 3$
and
$vert G vert < infty, tag 4$
we have
$vert S vert < infty tag 5$
as well; thus the sequence
$s, s^2, s^3, ldots, s^i, s^{i + 1}, ldots tag 6$
must repeat itself at some point; that is,
$exists k, l in Bbb N, ; l ge k + 1, tag 7$
with
$s^l = s^k; tag 8$
then
$s^{l - k} = e; tag 9$
thus
$e = s^{l - k} in S; tag{10}$
it follows then that
$s^{l - k - 1}s = e tag{11}$
and clearly
$s^{l - k - 1} in S; tag{12}$
thus the group identity $e in S$, and every $s in S$ has an inverse in $S$; $S$ is thus a subgroup of $G$.
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The proof presented here by our OP ForIgreaterthan_I appears to be logically valid; indeed, I like it because it is clever and innovative.
The way I would approach this, which alas is standard and not in fact overly clever, being as it is indeed rather obvious and straightforward, is as follows:
Let
$s in S; tag 1$
consider the powers
$s^i in S; tag 2$
since
$S subset G tag 3$
and
$vert G vert < infty, tag 4$
we have
$vert S vert < infty tag 5$
as well; thus the sequence
$s, s^2, s^3, ldots, s^i, s^{i + 1}, ldots tag 6$
must repeat itself at some point; that is,
$exists k, l in Bbb N, ; l ge k + 1, tag 7$
with
$s^l = s^k; tag 8$
then
$s^{l - k} = e; tag 9$
thus
$e = s^{l - k} in S; tag{10}$
it follows then that
$s^{l - k - 1}s = e tag{11}$
and clearly
$s^{l - k - 1} in S; tag{12}$
thus the group identity $e in S$, and every $s in S$ has an inverse in $S$; $S$ is thus a subgroup of $G$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The proof presented here by our OP ForIgreaterthan_I appears to be logically valid; indeed, I like it because it is clever and innovative.
The way I would approach this, which alas is standard and not in fact overly clever, being as it is indeed rather obvious and straightforward, is as follows:
Let
$s in S; tag 1$
consider the powers
$s^i in S; tag 2$
since
$S subset G tag 3$
and
$vert G vert < infty, tag 4$
we have
$vert S vert < infty tag 5$
as well; thus the sequence
$s, s^2, s^3, ldots, s^i, s^{i + 1}, ldots tag 6$
must repeat itself at some point; that is,
$exists k, l in Bbb N, ; l ge k + 1, tag 7$
with
$s^l = s^k; tag 8$
then
$s^{l - k} = e; tag 9$
thus
$e = s^{l - k} in S; tag{10}$
it follows then that
$s^{l - k - 1}s = e tag{11}$
and clearly
$s^{l - k - 1} in S; tag{12}$
thus the group identity $e in S$, and every $s in S$ has an inverse in $S$; $S$ is thus a subgroup of $G$.
$endgroup$
The proof presented here by our OP ForIgreaterthan_I appears to be logically valid; indeed, I like it because it is clever and innovative.
The way I would approach this, which alas is standard and not in fact overly clever, being as it is indeed rather obvious and straightforward, is as follows:
Let
$s in S; tag 1$
consider the powers
$s^i in S; tag 2$
since
$S subset G tag 3$
and
$vert G vert < infty, tag 4$
we have
$vert S vert < infty tag 5$
as well; thus the sequence
$s, s^2, s^3, ldots, s^i, s^{i + 1}, ldots tag 6$
must repeat itself at some point; that is,
$exists k, l in Bbb N, ; l ge k + 1, tag 7$
with
$s^l = s^k; tag 8$
then
$s^{l - k} = e; tag 9$
thus
$e = s^{l - k} in S; tag{10}$
it follows then that
$s^{l - k - 1}s = e tag{11}$
and clearly
$s^{l - k - 1} in S; tag{12}$
thus the group identity $e in S$, and every $s in S$ has an inverse in $S$; $S$ is thus a subgroup of $G$.
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