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Is it common to refer to someone as “Prof. Dr. [LastName]”?


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I have generally only heard people refer to professors as either "Dr. Smith" or "Prof. Smith". However, I received an email that referred to the keynote speakers at a conference as "Prof. Dr. Smith". Is this common? (It is for a conference in taking place in the EU and I am from the US if that helps).










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    It was (at least at one time) common in Germany. Herr Professor Doktor Klein. No, it is not common in the US and never was ... except maybe among German Jewish immigrants arriving here during the Nazi times.

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  • @GEdgar Thank you! I really appreciate your comment. It was just seemed different than what I was used to and just was wondering if it was just a matter of custom or if this was just an atypical, but not unexpected formulation.

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    Indeed very common in Germany. If somebody earned multiple doctorates, you would list each one, so you may sometimes actually find Prof. Dr. Dr. or even Prof. Dr. Dr. Dr. Also important: that only applies to actual Dr. - in Germany, it is illegal for somebody with a Ph. D. to substitute the title Dr.

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  • @KevinKeane, isn't a Ph.D. a form of doctorate? Perhaps this is a regional difference, too.

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    @MikeHill Ordinarily, a Ph.D. is indeed equivalent to a Dr., but not in front of the law. In Germany, it is a crime to use the title Dr. when you don't have it - and there was a case a few years ago when somebody with a Ph.D. was convicted for using the Dr. The regulations are explicit about it. rp.baden-wuerttemberg.de/Themen/Bildung/Ausbildung/Documents/… page 6 : you cannot use a domestic title even if your foreign one is materially equivalent. You aren't even allowed to use the German translation; you must use the original foreign-language title.

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I have generally only heard people refer to professors as either "Dr. Smith" or "Prof. Smith". However, I received an email that referred to the keynote speakers at a conference as "Prof. Dr. Smith". Is this common? (It is for a conference in taking place in the EU and I am from the US if that helps).










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    It was (at least at one time) common in Germany. Herr Professor Doktor Klein. No, it is not common in the US and never was ... except maybe among German Jewish immigrants arriving here during the Nazi times.

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  • @GEdgar Thank you! I really appreciate your comment. It was just seemed different than what I was used to and just was wondering if it was just a matter of custom or if this was just an atypical, but not unexpected formulation.

    – BPL
    21 hours ago






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    Indeed very common in Germany. If somebody earned multiple doctorates, you would list each one, so you may sometimes actually find Prof. Dr. Dr. or even Prof. Dr. Dr. Dr. Also important: that only applies to actual Dr. - in Germany, it is illegal for somebody with a Ph. D. to substitute the title Dr.

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  • @KevinKeane, isn't a Ph.D. a form of doctorate? Perhaps this is a regional difference, too.

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    @MikeHill Ordinarily, a Ph.D. is indeed equivalent to a Dr., but not in front of the law. In Germany, it is a crime to use the title Dr. when you don't have it - and there was a case a few years ago when somebody with a Ph.D. was convicted for using the Dr. The regulations are explicit about it. rp.baden-wuerttemberg.de/Themen/Bildung/Ausbildung/Documents/… page 6 : you cannot use a domestic title even if your foreign one is materially equivalent. You aren't even allowed to use the German translation; you must use the original foreign-language title.

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I have generally only heard people refer to professors as either "Dr. Smith" or "Prof. Smith". However, I received an email that referred to the keynote speakers at a conference as "Prof. Dr. Smith". Is this common? (It is for a conference in taking place in the EU and I am from the US if that helps).










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I have generally only heard people refer to professors as either "Dr. Smith" or "Prof. Smith". However, I received an email that referred to the keynote speakers at a conference as "Prof. Dr. Smith". Is this common? (It is for a conference in taking place in the EU and I am from the US if that helps).







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    It was (at least at one time) common in Germany. Herr Professor Doktor Klein. No, it is not common in the US and never was ... except maybe among German Jewish immigrants arriving here during the Nazi times.

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  • @GEdgar Thank you! I really appreciate your comment. It was just seemed different than what I was used to and just was wondering if it was just a matter of custom or if this was just an atypical, but not unexpected formulation.

    – BPL
    21 hours ago






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    Indeed very common in Germany. If somebody earned multiple doctorates, you would list each one, so you may sometimes actually find Prof. Dr. Dr. or even Prof. Dr. Dr. Dr. Also important: that only applies to actual Dr. - in Germany, it is illegal for somebody with a Ph. D. to substitute the title Dr.

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  • @KevinKeane, isn't a Ph.D. a form of doctorate? Perhaps this is a regional difference, too.

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    @MikeHill Ordinarily, a Ph.D. is indeed equivalent to a Dr., but not in front of the law. In Germany, it is a crime to use the title Dr. when you don't have it - and there was a case a few years ago when somebody with a Ph.D. was convicted for using the Dr. The regulations are explicit about it. rp.baden-wuerttemberg.de/Themen/Bildung/Ausbildung/Documents/… page 6 : you cannot use a domestic title even if your foreign one is materially equivalent. You aren't even allowed to use the German translation; you must use the original foreign-language title.

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    It was (at least at one time) common in Germany. Herr Professor Doktor Klein. No, it is not common in the US and never was ... except maybe among German Jewish immigrants arriving here during the Nazi times.

    – GEdgar
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  • @GEdgar Thank you! I really appreciate your comment. It was just seemed different than what I was used to and just was wondering if it was just a matter of custom or if this was just an atypical, but not unexpected formulation.

    – BPL
    21 hours ago






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    Indeed very common in Germany. If somebody earned multiple doctorates, you would list each one, so you may sometimes actually find Prof. Dr. Dr. or even Prof. Dr. Dr. Dr. Also important: that only applies to actual Dr. - in Germany, it is illegal for somebody with a Ph. D. to substitute the title Dr.

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  • @KevinKeane, isn't a Ph.D. a form of doctorate? Perhaps this is a regional difference, too.

    – Mike Hill
    16 hours ago






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    @MikeHill Ordinarily, a Ph.D. is indeed equivalent to a Dr., but not in front of the law. In Germany, it is a crime to use the title Dr. when you don't have it - and there was a case a few years ago when somebody with a Ph.D. was convicted for using the Dr. The regulations are explicit about it. rp.baden-wuerttemberg.de/Themen/Bildung/Ausbildung/Documents/… page 6 : you cannot use a domestic title even if your foreign one is materially equivalent. You aren't even allowed to use the German translation; you must use the original foreign-language title.

    – Kevin Keane
    15 hours ago








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It was (at least at one time) common in Germany. Herr Professor Doktor Klein. No, it is not common in the US and never was ... except maybe among German Jewish immigrants arriving here during the Nazi times.

– GEdgar
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It was (at least at one time) common in Germany. Herr Professor Doktor Klein. No, it is not common in the US and never was ... except maybe among German Jewish immigrants arriving here during the Nazi times.

– GEdgar
21 hours ago













@GEdgar Thank you! I really appreciate your comment. It was just seemed different than what I was used to and just was wondering if it was just a matter of custom or if this was just an atypical, but not unexpected formulation.

– BPL
21 hours ago





@GEdgar Thank you! I really appreciate your comment. It was just seemed different than what I was used to and just was wondering if it was just a matter of custom or if this was just an atypical, but not unexpected formulation.

– BPL
21 hours ago




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Indeed very common in Germany. If somebody earned multiple doctorates, you would list each one, so you may sometimes actually find Prof. Dr. Dr. or even Prof. Dr. Dr. Dr. Also important: that only applies to actual Dr. - in Germany, it is illegal for somebody with a Ph. D. to substitute the title Dr.

– Kevin Keane
17 hours ago







Indeed very common in Germany. If somebody earned multiple doctorates, you would list each one, so you may sometimes actually find Prof. Dr. Dr. or even Prof. Dr. Dr. Dr. Also important: that only applies to actual Dr. - in Germany, it is illegal for somebody with a Ph. D. to substitute the title Dr.

– Kevin Keane
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@KevinKeane, isn't a Ph.D. a form of doctorate? Perhaps this is a regional difference, too.

– Mike Hill
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@KevinKeane, isn't a Ph.D. a form of doctorate? Perhaps this is a regional difference, too.

– Mike Hill
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@MikeHill Ordinarily, a Ph.D. is indeed equivalent to a Dr., but not in front of the law. In Germany, it is a crime to use the title Dr. when you don't have it - and there was a case a few years ago when somebody with a Ph.D. was convicted for using the Dr. The regulations are explicit about it. rp.baden-wuerttemberg.de/Themen/Bildung/Ausbildung/Documents/… page 6 : you cannot use a domestic title even if your foreign one is materially equivalent. You aren't even allowed to use the German translation; you must use the original foreign-language title.

– Kevin Keane
15 hours ago





@MikeHill Ordinarily, a Ph.D. is indeed equivalent to a Dr., but not in front of the law. In Germany, it is a crime to use the title Dr. when you don't have it - and there was a case a few years ago when somebody with a Ph.D. was convicted for using the Dr. The regulations are explicit about it. rp.baden-wuerttemberg.de/Themen/Bildung/Ausbildung/Documents/… page 6 : you cannot use a domestic title even if your foreign one is materially equivalent. You aren't even allowed to use the German translation; you must use the original foreign-language title.

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German academia traditionally expects that one will use all relevant titles, so Prof. Dr. is pretty common there. Likewise other places with an academic system related to Germany in some way. As you note, in the US this would be very uncommon and the two titles you mention often used interchangeably there, even when it isn't clear that both apply.



And, if I remember correctly, it is always Prof. Dr. and never Dr. Prof. since the professorship was earned after the doctorate and is a "higher level" honorific. But "Herr Prof. Dr." doesn't fit that rule, I guess.






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    This is also the usual form in the Netherlands. I guess this is covered by the 'academic system related to Germany' in so far as it's next door.

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    FWIW, I just randomly typed some honorifics into google and found an obituary for Prof. em. Dr. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dieter Schneider. Which tells us that Prof. Schneider was a former professor who earned one doctorate the usual way and was awarded an additional four honorary doctorates. (However, note that an obituary is of course an extremely formal situation. You would not have addressed him that way, you would have addressed him as Prof. Dr. or maybe Prof. em. Dr. if you wanted to emphasize that he is retired.)

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    And just to add to the last comment, the commonly used formal way to list multiple honorary degrees in Germany would be Prof. Dr. Dr. h. c. mult. Schneider.

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    @JörgWMittag I take it that h. c. stands for honoris causa?

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    'But "Herr Prof. Dr." doesn't fit that rule, I guess.' - well, depends: In German, Herr/Frau always precedes the entire name (including any honorifics); it does not get substituted as soon as there are any honorifics like in English.

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Yes, it is common to use both, and the reason is that these are two completely different categories. Doctorates are academic degrees that come in different flavors including "Dr. h.c." and "Dr. habil.". They indicate the academic level, just like Bachelor or Master degrees. For academic degrees, you typically use all degrees on the highest level, so you don't mention a Master degree when someone also holds a PhD, but you mention all doctorates. "Professor" on the other hand is (in almost all cases) an official title which you mention just like you would always refer to a judge as "Judge XXX", whether or not he/she's holds a PhD. That also explains the order: Titles come first, and you lose them when you lose the job. Degrees become part of the name (so to say, until recently, it was possible to have them on your ID card.)






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    Common in Germany, unheard of elsewhere

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  • @GeorgeM Also common in Belgium. Most of my professors signed everything, even their class handouts, with Prof. Dr. Ir. because they were all professors after doing a doctorate after receiving their engineering titles.

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  • @GeorgeM and also common in Indonesia. And all the professors usually have the full titles in their names, something like Prof. Dr. Ir Name PhD.

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  • In Germany, the Dr. (only) would legally become part of the name. Leaving it out of official identity documents was not an option (as of a couple of decades ago).

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    @DonFusili Where have you seen this in Belgium? In my experience it is done in Dutch-speaking Belgian universities but never in French-speaking ones.

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All the other answers focus on the formal importance of titles and etiquette in German speaking countries. While refering to a person by his/her titles is normal, has not to be taken too far.



Still the level of formality isn't always the same. While the name and titles on a board can be meter long, normally an entitled person is approached by students as Herr/Frau followed by the most prestigious title and that suffices.



Professor will work well in your case. And this depends on situations, too. You might be for a beer after session and call American professors by name, it could be seen bizarre to switch to professor even, not to mention Mr or Sir professor :)



The language will often,if not always, be English, and somehow the level of formality goes along with.



I have worked in Austria and visited Germany. I never heard of herr Prof. Dr. or viceversa if not in pompous presentation as in special academic events. For sure students do not approach someone using two titles.



So there is nothing to worry about.



Edit: driven by other answers and comments I have focused on german speaking academia. I see the Q is more general. In a way the answer is still valid as Professor serves well the purpose of directly speaking to whom has that title (for foreigners, europeans or not, in Europe). Again printed material, official listing, ecc. might well detail all the titles. So Prof. Dr. might be encountered, but it will be always in the same fashion as the OP has already experienced, namely a third person or a third inanimate thing as a board introducing you an entitled person.






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    +1. OP mentions an email introducing the keynote speaker - in my experience that's one of the special events where one would mention ALL titles.

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  • @Sabine. Indeed I've formulated my answer as if the OP is going to meet a German professor in person. If it is matter of addressing in letter and email, I would write dear Professor, still. While for organizational things would be safe to list all. Though I doubt that someone sitting in Italy or America would be responsible for, say, printing the badges for a conference in Berlin. Otherwise if a I print a flyer yes, all titles needed especially if the happening is in Germany. Hope our comments complement the answer.

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Background.
In Italy, Dottore (short version dr. or dott.) refers to those who hold either a bachelor's degree, or a graduate degree, or a Ph.D., or those who are physicians.



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Those who both serve as physicians and teach at medical school are commonly regarded as Prof. Dott. or Prof. Dr.






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I have personally never seen Prof. Dr. X. At least from my experience Prof. is reserved for those who are teaching a course, but do not have a Ph.D. degree (graduate students teaching intro level undergrad courses) or faculty members who only have a MA/MS degree. Dr. in contrast is used for people who have a Ph.D. degree.






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  • Matter here is about persons who are professor. While in many countries a teacher can be called professor, the actual case is quite different. While a person might be called professor in german high school I have no idea. Surely at german universities a teacher is not called professor. Is not exactly but quite opposite to what your answer suggests.

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    @Alchimista The only people called Professor in Germany are actual professors. Period. A teacher, highschool or otherwise, is never called Professor.

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  • Even better for the sense of my comment. @Roland

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  • In the US, grad students spend half their time trying to get first-year undergraduates to stop calling them "professor." The title professor is not generally used for grad students or anybody who is not, in fact, a professor.

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  • Where are you from? In the U.S., nobody from my school calls me "Doctor". It's always "Professor" (unless it's just my first name).

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It is common. At my house, I refer to my wife and children as Professor Doctor (or Doctor Professor, if I'm feeling feisty) as an expression of respect. I want them to know that I see them as so much more than that kid I live with, or Mrs. Me.



It's important to refer to people by these titles when you notice that they may not feel recognized enough. Take your friends, for instance. It doesn't just have to be family. Say your friend is trying to establish a "get-together", but isn't getting very favorable responses. In this case, I would recommend placing your arm around this friend, and casually saying something like "I'll be there, Professor Doctor". I have yet to have a friend be offended by this, and it has been great for boosting them in times of need.



You'll get the feel of it the more you try. Never sell your influence short. It's these kinds of efforts that hold us together more. Heck, sometimes I even call my cats Professor Doctor. Now before we start a "flame war" over this (you trolls!), I know they don't understand me, but it's the thought that counts.



Keep on rockin', Professor Doctor BPL (Is it pronounced "Beeple"? Like people?). Catch you on the flippin' side.






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    German academia traditionally expects that one will use all relevant titles, so Prof. Dr. is pretty common there. Likewise other places with an academic system related to Germany in some way. As you note, in the US this would be very uncommon and the two titles you mention often used interchangeably there, even when it isn't clear that both apply.



    And, if I remember correctly, it is always Prof. Dr. and never Dr. Prof. since the professorship was earned after the doctorate and is a "higher level" honorific. But "Herr Prof. Dr." doesn't fit that rule, I guess.






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      This is also the usual form in the Netherlands. I guess this is covered by the 'academic system related to Germany' in so far as it's next door.

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      FWIW, I just randomly typed some honorifics into google and found an obituary for Prof. em. Dr. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dieter Schneider. Which tells us that Prof. Schneider was a former professor who earned one doctorate the usual way and was awarded an additional four honorary doctorates. (However, note that an obituary is of course an extremely formal situation. You would not have addressed him that way, you would have addressed him as Prof. Dr. or maybe Prof. em. Dr. if you wanted to emphasize that he is retired.)

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      And just to add to the last comment, the commonly used formal way to list multiple honorary degrees in Germany would be Prof. Dr. Dr. h. c. mult. Schneider.

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      @JörgWMittag I take it that h. c. stands for honoris causa?

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      'But "Herr Prof. Dr." doesn't fit that rule, I guess.' - well, depends: In German, Herr/Frau always precedes the entire name (including any honorifics); it does not get substituted as soon as there are any honorifics like in English.

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    German academia traditionally expects that one will use all relevant titles, so Prof. Dr. is pretty common there. Likewise other places with an academic system related to Germany in some way. As you note, in the US this would be very uncommon and the two titles you mention often used interchangeably there, even when it isn't clear that both apply.



    And, if I remember correctly, it is always Prof. Dr. and never Dr. Prof. since the professorship was earned after the doctorate and is a "higher level" honorific. But "Herr Prof. Dr." doesn't fit that rule, I guess.






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      This is also the usual form in the Netherlands. I guess this is covered by the 'academic system related to Germany' in so far as it's next door.

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      FWIW, I just randomly typed some honorifics into google and found an obituary for Prof. em. Dr. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dieter Schneider. Which tells us that Prof. Schneider was a former professor who earned one doctorate the usual way and was awarded an additional four honorary doctorates. (However, note that an obituary is of course an extremely formal situation. You would not have addressed him that way, you would have addressed him as Prof. Dr. or maybe Prof. em. Dr. if you wanted to emphasize that he is retired.)

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      And just to add to the last comment, the commonly used formal way to list multiple honorary degrees in Germany would be Prof. Dr. Dr. h. c. mult. Schneider.

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      @JörgWMittag I take it that h. c. stands for honoris causa?

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      'But "Herr Prof. Dr." doesn't fit that rule, I guess.' - well, depends: In German, Herr/Frau always precedes the entire name (including any honorifics); it does not get substituted as soon as there are any honorifics like in English.

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    German academia traditionally expects that one will use all relevant titles, so Prof. Dr. is pretty common there. Likewise other places with an academic system related to Germany in some way. As you note, in the US this would be very uncommon and the two titles you mention often used interchangeably there, even when it isn't clear that both apply.



    And, if I remember correctly, it is always Prof. Dr. and never Dr. Prof. since the professorship was earned after the doctorate and is a "higher level" honorific. But "Herr Prof. Dr." doesn't fit that rule, I guess.






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    German academia traditionally expects that one will use all relevant titles, so Prof. Dr. is pretty common there. Likewise other places with an academic system related to Germany in some way. As you note, in the US this would be very uncommon and the two titles you mention often used interchangeably there, even when it isn't clear that both apply.



    And, if I remember correctly, it is always Prof. Dr. and never Dr. Prof. since the professorship was earned after the doctorate and is a "higher level" honorific. But "Herr Prof. Dr." doesn't fit that rule, I guess.







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      This is also the usual form in the Netherlands. I guess this is covered by the 'academic system related to Germany' in so far as it's next door.

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      FWIW, I just randomly typed some honorifics into google and found an obituary for Prof. em. Dr. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dieter Schneider. Which tells us that Prof. Schneider was a former professor who earned one doctorate the usual way and was awarded an additional four honorary doctorates. (However, note that an obituary is of course an extremely formal situation. You would not have addressed him that way, you would have addressed him as Prof. Dr. or maybe Prof. em. Dr. if you wanted to emphasize that he is retired.)

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      And just to add to the last comment, the commonly used formal way to list multiple honorary degrees in Germany would be Prof. Dr. Dr. h. c. mult. Schneider.

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      @JörgWMittag I take it that h. c. stands for honoris causa?

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      'But "Herr Prof. Dr." doesn't fit that rule, I guess.' - well, depends: In German, Herr/Frau always precedes the entire name (including any honorifics); it does not get substituted as soon as there are any honorifics like in English.

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      This is also the usual form in the Netherlands. I guess this is covered by the 'academic system related to Germany' in so far as it's next door.

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      FWIW, I just randomly typed some honorifics into google and found an obituary for Prof. em. Dr. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dieter Schneider. Which tells us that Prof. Schneider was a former professor who earned one doctorate the usual way and was awarded an additional four honorary doctorates. (However, note that an obituary is of course an extremely formal situation. You would not have addressed him that way, you would have addressed him as Prof. Dr. or maybe Prof. em. Dr. if you wanted to emphasize that he is retired.)

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      And just to add to the last comment, the commonly used formal way to list multiple honorary degrees in Germany would be Prof. Dr. Dr. h. c. mult. Schneider.

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      @JörgWMittag I take it that h. c. stands for honoris causa?

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      15 hours ago






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      'But "Herr Prof. Dr." doesn't fit that rule, I guess.' - well, depends: In German, Herr/Frau always precedes the entire name (including any honorifics); it does not get substituted as soon as there are any honorifics like in English.

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    This is also the usual form in the Netherlands. I guess this is covered by the 'academic system related to Germany' in so far as it's next door.

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    This is also the usual form in the Netherlands. I guess this is covered by the 'academic system related to Germany' in so far as it's next door.

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    FWIW, I just randomly typed some honorifics into google and found an obituary for Prof. em. Dr. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dieter Schneider. Which tells us that Prof. Schneider was a former professor who earned one doctorate the usual way and was awarded an additional four honorary doctorates. (However, note that an obituary is of course an extremely formal situation. You would not have addressed him that way, you would have addressed him as Prof. Dr. or maybe Prof. em. Dr. if you wanted to emphasize that he is retired.)

    – Jörg W Mittag
    16 hours ago







    FWIW, I just randomly typed some honorifics into google and found an obituary for Prof. em. Dr. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dieter Schneider. Which tells us that Prof. Schneider was a former professor who earned one doctorate the usual way and was awarded an additional four honorary doctorates. (However, note that an obituary is of course an extremely formal situation. You would not have addressed him that way, you would have addressed him as Prof. Dr. or maybe Prof. em. Dr. if you wanted to emphasize that he is retired.)

    – Jörg W Mittag
    16 hours ago






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    And just to add to the last comment, the commonly used formal way to list multiple honorary degrees in Germany would be Prof. Dr. Dr. h. c. mult. Schneider.

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    16 hours ago





    And just to add to the last comment, the commonly used formal way to list multiple honorary degrees in Germany would be Prof. Dr. Dr. h. c. mult. Schneider.

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    16 hours ago




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    @JörgWMittag I take it that h. c. stands for honoris causa?

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    @JörgWMittag I take it that h. c. stands for honoris causa?

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    'But "Herr Prof. Dr." doesn't fit that rule, I guess.' - well, depends: In German, Herr/Frau always precedes the entire name (including any honorifics); it does not get substituted as soon as there are any honorifics like in English.

    – O. R. Mapper
    3 hours ago





    'But "Herr Prof. Dr." doesn't fit that rule, I guess.' - well, depends: In German, Herr/Frau always precedes the entire name (including any honorifics); it does not get substituted as soon as there are any honorifics like in English.

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    Yes, it is common to use both, and the reason is that these are two completely different categories. Doctorates are academic degrees that come in different flavors including "Dr. h.c." and "Dr. habil.". They indicate the academic level, just like Bachelor or Master degrees. For academic degrees, you typically use all degrees on the highest level, so you don't mention a Master degree when someone also holds a PhD, but you mention all doctorates. "Professor" on the other hand is (in almost all cases) an official title which you mention just like you would always refer to a judge as "Judge XXX", whether or not he/she's holds a PhD. That also explains the order: Titles come first, and you lose them when you lose the job. Degrees become part of the name (so to say, until recently, it was possible to have them on your ID card.)






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      Common in Germany, unheard of elsewhere

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    • @GeorgeM Also common in Belgium. Most of my professors signed everything, even their class handouts, with Prof. Dr. Ir. because they were all professors after doing a doctorate after receiving their engineering titles.

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      4 hours ago











    • @GeorgeM and also common in Indonesia. And all the professors usually have the full titles in their names, something like Prof. Dr. Ir Name PhD.

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    • In Germany, the Dr. (only) would legally become part of the name. Leaving it out of official identity documents was not an option (as of a couple of decades ago).

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      2 hours ago






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      @DonFusili Where have you seen this in Belgium? In my experience it is done in Dutch-speaking Belgian universities but never in French-speaking ones.

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    Yes, it is common to use both, and the reason is that these are two completely different categories. Doctorates are academic degrees that come in different flavors including "Dr. h.c." and "Dr. habil.". They indicate the academic level, just like Bachelor or Master degrees. For academic degrees, you typically use all degrees on the highest level, so you don't mention a Master degree when someone also holds a PhD, but you mention all doctorates. "Professor" on the other hand is (in almost all cases) an official title which you mention just like you would always refer to a judge as "Judge XXX", whether or not he/she's holds a PhD. That also explains the order: Titles come first, and you lose them when you lose the job. Degrees become part of the name (so to say, until recently, it was possible to have them on your ID card.)






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      Common in Germany, unheard of elsewhere

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    • @GeorgeM Also common in Belgium. Most of my professors signed everything, even their class handouts, with Prof. Dr. Ir. because they were all professors after doing a doctorate after receiving their engineering titles.

      – DonFusili
      4 hours ago











    • @GeorgeM and also common in Indonesia. And all the professors usually have the full titles in their names, something like Prof. Dr. Ir Name PhD.

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      3 hours ago













    • In Germany, the Dr. (only) would legally become part of the name. Leaving it out of official identity documents was not an option (as of a couple of decades ago).

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      2 hours ago






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      @DonFusili Where have you seen this in Belgium? In my experience it is done in Dutch-speaking Belgian universities but never in French-speaking ones.

      – Arnaud D.
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    Yes, it is common to use both, and the reason is that these are two completely different categories. Doctorates are academic degrees that come in different flavors including "Dr. h.c." and "Dr. habil.". They indicate the academic level, just like Bachelor or Master degrees. For academic degrees, you typically use all degrees on the highest level, so you don't mention a Master degree when someone also holds a PhD, but you mention all doctorates. "Professor" on the other hand is (in almost all cases) an official title which you mention just like you would always refer to a judge as "Judge XXX", whether or not he/she's holds a PhD. That also explains the order: Titles come first, and you lose them when you lose the job. Degrees become part of the name (so to say, until recently, it was possible to have them on your ID card.)






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    Yes, it is common to use both, and the reason is that these are two completely different categories. Doctorates are academic degrees that come in different flavors including "Dr. h.c." and "Dr. habil.". They indicate the academic level, just like Bachelor or Master degrees. For academic degrees, you typically use all degrees on the highest level, so you don't mention a Master degree when someone also holds a PhD, but you mention all doctorates. "Professor" on the other hand is (in almost all cases) an official title which you mention just like you would always refer to a judge as "Judge XXX", whether or not he/she's holds a PhD. That also explains the order: Titles come first, and you lose them when you lose the job. Degrees become part of the name (so to say, until recently, it was possible to have them on your ID card.)







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      Common in Germany, unheard of elsewhere

      – George M
      14 hours ago











    • @GeorgeM Also common in Belgium. Most of my professors signed everything, even their class handouts, with Prof. Dr. Ir. because they were all professors after doing a doctorate after receiving their engineering titles.

      – DonFusili
      4 hours ago











    • @GeorgeM and also common in Indonesia. And all the professors usually have the full titles in their names, something like Prof. Dr. Ir Name PhD.

      – ישו אוהב אותך
      3 hours ago













    • In Germany, the Dr. (only) would legally become part of the name. Leaving it out of official identity documents was not an option (as of a couple of decades ago).

      – o.m.
      2 hours ago






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      @DonFusili Where have you seen this in Belgium? In my experience it is done in Dutch-speaking Belgian universities but never in French-speaking ones.

      – Arnaud D.
      1 hour ago














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      Common in Germany, unheard of elsewhere

      – George M
      14 hours ago











    • @GeorgeM Also common in Belgium. Most of my professors signed everything, even their class handouts, with Prof. Dr. Ir. because they were all professors after doing a doctorate after receiving their engineering titles.

      – DonFusili
      4 hours ago











    • @GeorgeM and also common in Indonesia. And all the professors usually have the full titles in their names, something like Prof. Dr. Ir Name PhD.

      – ישו אוהב אותך
      3 hours ago













    • In Germany, the Dr. (only) would legally become part of the name. Leaving it out of official identity documents was not an option (as of a couple of decades ago).

      – o.m.
      2 hours ago






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      @DonFusili Where have you seen this in Belgium? In my experience it is done in Dutch-speaking Belgian universities but never in French-speaking ones.

      – Arnaud D.
      1 hour ago








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    Common in Germany, unheard of elsewhere

    – George M
    14 hours ago





    Common in Germany, unheard of elsewhere

    – George M
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    @GeorgeM Also common in Belgium. Most of my professors signed everything, even their class handouts, with Prof. Dr. Ir. because they were all professors after doing a doctorate after receiving their engineering titles.

    – DonFusili
    4 hours ago





    @GeorgeM Also common in Belgium. Most of my professors signed everything, even their class handouts, with Prof. Dr. Ir. because they were all professors after doing a doctorate after receiving their engineering titles.

    – DonFusili
    4 hours ago













    @GeorgeM and also common in Indonesia. And all the professors usually have the full titles in their names, something like Prof. Dr. Ir Name PhD.

    – ישו אוהב אותך
    3 hours ago







    @GeorgeM and also common in Indonesia. And all the professors usually have the full titles in their names, something like Prof. Dr. Ir Name PhD.

    – ישו אוהב אותך
    3 hours ago















    In Germany, the Dr. (only) would legally become part of the name. Leaving it out of official identity documents was not an option (as of a couple of decades ago).

    – o.m.
    2 hours ago





    In Germany, the Dr. (only) would legally become part of the name. Leaving it out of official identity documents was not an option (as of a couple of decades ago).

    – o.m.
    2 hours ago




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    @DonFusili Where have you seen this in Belgium? In my experience it is done in Dutch-speaking Belgian universities but never in French-speaking ones.

    – Arnaud D.
    1 hour ago





    @DonFusili Where have you seen this in Belgium? In my experience it is done in Dutch-speaking Belgian universities but never in French-speaking ones.

    – Arnaud D.
    1 hour ago











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    All the other answers focus on the formal importance of titles and etiquette in German speaking countries. While refering to a person by his/her titles is normal, has not to be taken too far.



    Still the level of formality isn't always the same. While the name and titles on a board can be meter long, normally an entitled person is approached by students as Herr/Frau followed by the most prestigious title and that suffices.



    Professor will work well in your case. And this depends on situations, too. You might be for a beer after session and call American professors by name, it could be seen bizarre to switch to professor even, not to mention Mr or Sir professor :)



    The language will often,if not always, be English, and somehow the level of formality goes along with.



    I have worked in Austria and visited Germany. I never heard of herr Prof. Dr. or viceversa if not in pompous presentation as in special academic events. For sure students do not approach someone using two titles.



    So there is nothing to worry about.



    Edit: driven by other answers and comments I have focused on german speaking academia. I see the Q is more general. In a way the answer is still valid as Professor serves well the purpose of directly speaking to whom has that title (for foreigners, europeans or not, in Europe). Again printed material, official listing, ecc. might well detail all the titles. So Prof. Dr. might be encountered, but it will be always in the same fashion as the OP has already experienced, namely a third person or a third inanimate thing as a board introducing you an entitled person.






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      +1. OP mentions an email introducing the keynote speaker - in my experience that's one of the special events where one would mention ALL titles.

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    • @Sabine. Indeed I've formulated my answer as if the OP is going to meet a German professor in person. If it is matter of addressing in letter and email, I would write dear Professor, still. While for organizational things would be safe to list all. Though I doubt that someone sitting in Italy or America would be responsible for, say, printing the badges for a conference in Berlin. Otherwise if a I print a flyer yes, all titles needed especially if the happening is in Germany. Hope our comments complement the answer.

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    All the other answers focus on the formal importance of titles and etiquette in German speaking countries. While refering to a person by his/her titles is normal, has not to be taken too far.



    Still the level of formality isn't always the same. While the name and titles on a board can be meter long, normally an entitled person is approached by students as Herr/Frau followed by the most prestigious title and that suffices.



    Professor will work well in your case. And this depends on situations, too. You might be for a beer after session and call American professors by name, it could be seen bizarre to switch to professor even, not to mention Mr or Sir professor :)



    The language will often,if not always, be English, and somehow the level of formality goes along with.



    I have worked in Austria and visited Germany. I never heard of herr Prof. Dr. or viceversa if not in pompous presentation as in special academic events. For sure students do not approach someone using two titles.



    So there is nothing to worry about.



    Edit: driven by other answers and comments I have focused on german speaking academia. I see the Q is more general. In a way the answer is still valid as Professor serves well the purpose of directly speaking to whom has that title (for foreigners, europeans or not, in Europe). Again printed material, official listing, ecc. might well detail all the titles. So Prof. Dr. might be encountered, but it will be always in the same fashion as the OP has already experienced, namely a third person or a third inanimate thing as a board introducing you an entitled person.






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      +1. OP mentions an email introducing the keynote speaker - in my experience that's one of the special events where one would mention ALL titles.

      – Sabine
      50 mins ago











    • @Sabine. Indeed I've formulated my answer as if the OP is going to meet a German professor in person. If it is matter of addressing in letter and email, I would write dear Professor, still. While for organizational things would be safe to list all. Though I doubt that someone sitting in Italy or America would be responsible for, say, printing the badges for a conference in Berlin. Otherwise if a I print a flyer yes, all titles needed especially if the happening is in Germany. Hope our comments complement the answer.

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    All the other answers focus on the formal importance of titles and etiquette in German speaking countries. While refering to a person by his/her titles is normal, has not to be taken too far.



    Still the level of formality isn't always the same. While the name and titles on a board can be meter long, normally an entitled person is approached by students as Herr/Frau followed by the most prestigious title and that suffices.



    Professor will work well in your case. And this depends on situations, too. You might be for a beer after session and call American professors by name, it could be seen bizarre to switch to professor even, not to mention Mr or Sir professor :)



    The language will often,if not always, be English, and somehow the level of formality goes along with.



    I have worked in Austria and visited Germany. I never heard of herr Prof. Dr. or viceversa if not in pompous presentation as in special academic events. For sure students do not approach someone using two titles.



    So there is nothing to worry about.



    Edit: driven by other answers and comments I have focused on german speaking academia. I see the Q is more general. In a way the answer is still valid as Professor serves well the purpose of directly speaking to whom has that title (for foreigners, europeans or not, in Europe). Again printed material, official listing, ecc. might well detail all the titles. So Prof. Dr. might be encountered, but it will be always in the same fashion as the OP has already experienced, namely a third person or a third inanimate thing as a board introducing you an entitled person.






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    All the other answers focus on the formal importance of titles and etiquette in German speaking countries. While refering to a person by his/her titles is normal, has not to be taken too far.



    Still the level of formality isn't always the same. While the name and titles on a board can be meter long, normally an entitled person is approached by students as Herr/Frau followed by the most prestigious title and that suffices.



    Professor will work well in your case. And this depends on situations, too. You might be for a beer after session and call American professors by name, it could be seen bizarre to switch to professor even, not to mention Mr or Sir professor :)



    The language will often,if not always, be English, and somehow the level of formality goes along with.



    I have worked in Austria and visited Germany. I never heard of herr Prof. Dr. or viceversa if not in pompous presentation as in special academic events. For sure students do not approach someone using two titles.



    So there is nothing to worry about.



    Edit: driven by other answers and comments I have focused on german speaking academia. I see the Q is more general. In a way the answer is still valid as Professor serves well the purpose of directly speaking to whom has that title (for foreigners, europeans or not, in Europe). Again printed material, official listing, ecc. might well detail all the titles. So Prof. Dr. might be encountered, but it will be always in the same fashion as the OP has already experienced, namely a third person or a third inanimate thing as a board introducing you an entitled person.







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      +1. OP mentions an email introducing the keynote speaker - in my experience that's one of the special events where one would mention ALL titles.

      – Sabine
      50 mins ago











    • @Sabine. Indeed I've formulated my answer as if the OP is going to meet a German professor in person. If it is matter of addressing in letter and email, I would write dear Professor, still. While for organizational things would be safe to list all. Though I doubt that someone sitting in Italy or America would be responsible for, say, printing the badges for a conference in Berlin. Otherwise if a I print a flyer yes, all titles needed especially if the happening is in Germany. Hope our comments complement the answer.

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      +1. OP mentions an email introducing the keynote speaker - in my experience that's one of the special events where one would mention ALL titles.

      – Sabine
      50 mins ago











    • @Sabine. Indeed I've formulated my answer as if the OP is going to meet a German professor in person. If it is matter of addressing in letter and email, I would write dear Professor, still. While for organizational things would be safe to list all. Though I doubt that someone sitting in Italy or America would be responsible for, say, printing the badges for a conference in Berlin. Otherwise if a I print a flyer yes, all titles needed especially if the happening is in Germany. Hope our comments complement the answer.

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    +1. OP mentions an email introducing the keynote speaker - in my experience that's one of the special events where one would mention ALL titles.

    – Sabine
    50 mins ago





    +1. OP mentions an email introducing the keynote speaker - in my experience that's one of the special events where one would mention ALL titles.

    – Sabine
    50 mins ago













    @Sabine. Indeed I've formulated my answer as if the OP is going to meet a German professor in person. If it is matter of addressing in letter and email, I would write dear Professor, still. While for organizational things would be safe to list all. Though I doubt that someone sitting in Italy or America would be responsible for, say, printing the badges for a conference in Berlin. Otherwise if a I print a flyer yes, all titles needed especially if the happening is in Germany. Hope our comments complement the answer.

    – Alchimista
    28 mins ago







    @Sabine. Indeed I've formulated my answer as if the OP is going to meet a German professor in person. If it is matter of addressing in letter and email, I would write dear Professor, still. While for organizational things would be safe to list all. Though I doubt that someone sitting in Italy or America would be responsible for, say, printing the badges for a conference in Berlin. Otherwise if a I print a flyer yes, all titles needed especially if the happening is in Germany. Hope our comments complement the answer.

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    Background.
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    Background.
    In Italy, Dottore (short version dr. or dott.) refers to those who hold either a bachelor's degree, or a graduate degree, or a Ph.D., or those who are physicians.



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    Background.
    In Italy, Dottore (short version dr. or dott.) refers to those who hold either a bachelor's degree, or a graduate degree, or a Ph.D., or those who are physicians.



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    I have personally never seen Prof. Dr. X. At least from my experience Prof. is reserved for those who are teaching a course, but do not have a Ph.D. degree (graduate students teaching intro level undergrad courses) or faculty members who only have a MA/MS degree. Dr. in contrast is used for people who have a Ph.D. degree.






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    • Matter here is about persons who are professor. While in many countries a teacher can be called professor, the actual case is quite different. While a person might be called professor in german high school I have no idea. Surely at german universities a teacher is not called professor. Is not exactly but quite opposite to what your answer suggests.

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      @Alchimista The only people called Professor in Germany are actual professors. Period. A teacher, highschool or otherwise, is never called Professor.

      – Roland
      1 hour ago











    • Even better for the sense of my comment. @Roland

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    • In the US, grad students spend half their time trying to get first-year undergraduates to stop calling them "professor." The title professor is not generally used for grad students or anybody who is not, in fact, a professor.

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    • Where are you from? In the U.S., nobody from my school calls me "Doctor". It's always "Professor" (unless it's just my first name).

      – Peter Shor
      9 mins ago


















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    I have personally never seen Prof. Dr. X. At least from my experience Prof. is reserved for those who are teaching a course, but do not have a Ph.D. degree (graduate students teaching intro level undergrad courses) or faculty members who only have a MA/MS degree. Dr. in contrast is used for people who have a Ph.D. degree.






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    • Matter here is about persons who are professor. While in many countries a teacher can be called professor, the actual case is quite different. While a person might be called professor in german high school I have no idea. Surely at german universities a teacher is not called professor. Is not exactly but quite opposite to what your answer suggests.

      – Alchimista
      1 hour ago






    • 1





      @Alchimista The only people called Professor in Germany are actual professors. Period. A teacher, highschool or otherwise, is never called Professor.

      – Roland
      1 hour ago











    • Even better for the sense of my comment. @Roland

      – Alchimista
      1 hour ago











    • In the US, grad students spend half their time trying to get first-year undergraduates to stop calling them "professor." The title professor is not generally used for grad students or anybody who is not, in fact, a professor.

      – Zach Lipton
      1 hour ago













    • Where are you from? In the U.S., nobody from my school calls me "Doctor". It's always "Professor" (unless it's just my first name).

      – Peter Shor
      9 mins ago
















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    I have personally never seen Prof. Dr. X. At least from my experience Prof. is reserved for those who are teaching a course, but do not have a Ph.D. degree (graduate students teaching intro level undergrad courses) or faculty members who only have a MA/MS degree. Dr. in contrast is used for people who have a Ph.D. degree.






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    • Matter here is about persons who are professor. While in many countries a teacher can be called professor, the actual case is quite different. While a person might be called professor in german high school I have no idea. Surely at german universities a teacher is not called professor. Is not exactly but quite opposite to what your answer suggests.

      – Alchimista
      1 hour ago






    • 1





      @Alchimista The only people called Professor in Germany are actual professors. Period. A teacher, highschool or otherwise, is never called Professor.

      – Roland
      1 hour ago











    • Even better for the sense of my comment. @Roland

      – Alchimista
      1 hour ago











    • In the US, grad students spend half their time trying to get first-year undergraduates to stop calling them "professor." The title professor is not generally used for grad students or anybody who is not, in fact, a professor.

      – Zach Lipton
      1 hour ago













    • Where are you from? In the U.S., nobody from my school calls me "Doctor". It's always "Professor" (unless it's just my first name).

      – Peter Shor
      9 mins ago





















    • Matter here is about persons who are professor. While in many countries a teacher can be called professor, the actual case is quite different. While a person might be called professor in german high school I have no idea. Surely at german universities a teacher is not called professor. Is not exactly but quite opposite to what your answer suggests.

      – Alchimista
      1 hour ago






    • 1





      @Alchimista The only people called Professor in Germany are actual professors. Period. A teacher, highschool or otherwise, is never called Professor.

      – Roland
      1 hour ago











    • Even better for the sense of my comment. @Roland

      – Alchimista
      1 hour ago











    • In the US, grad students spend half their time trying to get first-year undergraduates to stop calling them "professor." The title professor is not generally used for grad students or anybody who is not, in fact, a professor.

      – Zach Lipton
      1 hour ago













    • Where are you from? In the U.S., nobody from my school calls me "Doctor". It's always "Professor" (unless it's just my first name).

      – Peter Shor
      9 mins ago



















    Matter here is about persons who are professor. While in many countries a teacher can be called professor, the actual case is quite different. While a person might be called professor in german high school I have no idea. Surely at german universities a teacher is not called professor. Is not exactly but quite opposite to what your answer suggests.

    – Alchimista
    1 hour ago





    Matter here is about persons who are professor. While in many countries a teacher can be called professor, the actual case is quite different. While a person might be called professor in german high school I have no idea. Surely at german universities a teacher is not called professor. Is not exactly but quite opposite to what your answer suggests.

    – Alchimista
    1 hour ago




    1




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    @Alchimista The only people called Professor in Germany are actual professors. Period. A teacher, highschool or otherwise, is never called Professor.

    – Roland
    1 hour ago





    @Alchimista The only people called Professor in Germany are actual professors. Period. A teacher, highschool or otherwise, is never called Professor.

    – Roland
    1 hour ago













    Even better for the sense of my comment. @Roland

    – Alchimista
    1 hour ago





    Even better for the sense of my comment. @Roland

    – Alchimista
    1 hour ago













    In the US, grad students spend half their time trying to get first-year undergraduates to stop calling them "professor." The title professor is not generally used for grad students or anybody who is not, in fact, a professor.

    – Zach Lipton
    1 hour ago







    In the US, grad students spend half their time trying to get first-year undergraduates to stop calling them "professor." The title professor is not generally used for grad students or anybody who is not, in fact, a professor.

    – Zach Lipton
    1 hour ago















    Where are you from? In the U.S., nobody from my school calls me "Doctor". It's always "Professor" (unless it's just my first name).

    – Peter Shor
    9 mins ago







    Where are you from? In the U.S., nobody from my school calls me "Doctor". It's always "Professor" (unless it's just my first name).

    – Peter Shor
    9 mins ago













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    It is common. At my house, I refer to my wife and children as Professor Doctor (or Doctor Professor, if I'm feeling feisty) as an expression of respect. I want them to know that I see them as so much more than that kid I live with, or Mrs. Me.



    It's important to refer to people by these titles when you notice that they may not feel recognized enough. Take your friends, for instance. It doesn't just have to be family. Say your friend is trying to establish a "get-together", but isn't getting very favorable responses. In this case, I would recommend placing your arm around this friend, and casually saying something like "I'll be there, Professor Doctor". I have yet to have a friend be offended by this, and it has been great for boosting them in times of need.



    You'll get the feel of it the more you try. Never sell your influence short. It's these kinds of efforts that hold us together more. Heck, sometimes I even call my cats Professor Doctor. Now before we start a "flame war" over this (you trolls!), I know they don't understand me, but it's the thought that counts.



    Keep on rockin', Professor Doctor BPL (Is it pronounced "Beeple"? Like people?). Catch you on the flippin' side.






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      It is common. At my house, I refer to my wife and children as Professor Doctor (or Doctor Professor, if I'm feeling feisty) as an expression of respect. I want them to know that I see them as so much more than that kid I live with, or Mrs. Me.



      It's important to refer to people by these titles when you notice that they may not feel recognized enough. Take your friends, for instance. It doesn't just have to be family. Say your friend is trying to establish a "get-together", but isn't getting very favorable responses. In this case, I would recommend placing your arm around this friend, and casually saying something like "I'll be there, Professor Doctor". I have yet to have a friend be offended by this, and it has been great for boosting them in times of need.



      You'll get the feel of it the more you try. Never sell your influence short. It's these kinds of efforts that hold us together more. Heck, sometimes I even call my cats Professor Doctor. Now before we start a "flame war" over this (you trolls!), I know they don't understand me, but it's the thought that counts.



      Keep on rockin', Professor Doctor BPL (Is it pronounced "Beeple"? Like people?). Catch you on the flippin' side.






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        It is common. At my house, I refer to my wife and children as Professor Doctor (or Doctor Professor, if I'm feeling feisty) as an expression of respect. I want them to know that I see them as so much more than that kid I live with, or Mrs. Me.



        It's important to refer to people by these titles when you notice that they may not feel recognized enough. Take your friends, for instance. It doesn't just have to be family. Say your friend is trying to establish a "get-together", but isn't getting very favorable responses. In this case, I would recommend placing your arm around this friend, and casually saying something like "I'll be there, Professor Doctor". I have yet to have a friend be offended by this, and it has been great for boosting them in times of need.



        You'll get the feel of it the more you try. Never sell your influence short. It's these kinds of efforts that hold us together more. Heck, sometimes I even call my cats Professor Doctor. Now before we start a "flame war" over this (you trolls!), I know they don't understand me, but it's the thought that counts.



        Keep on rockin', Professor Doctor BPL (Is it pronounced "Beeple"? Like people?). Catch you on the flippin' side.






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        It is common. At my house, I refer to my wife and children as Professor Doctor (or Doctor Professor, if I'm feeling feisty) as an expression of respect. I want them to know that I see them as so much more than that kid I live with, or Mrs. Me.



        It's important to refer to people by these titles when you notice that they may not feel recognized enough. Take your friends, for instance. It doesn't just have to be family. Say your friend is trying to establish a "get-together", but isn't getting very favorable responses. In this case, I would recommend placing your arm around this friend, and casually saying something like "I'll be there, Professor Doctor". I have yet to have a friend be offended by this, and it has been great for boosting them in times of need.



        You'll get the feel of it the more you try. Never sell your influence short. It's these kinds of efforts that hold us together more. Heck, sometimes I even call my cats Professor Doctor. Now before we start a "flame war" over this (you trolls!), I know they don't understand me, but it's the thought that counts.



        Keep on rockin', Professor Doctor BPL (Is it pronounced "Beeple"? Like people?). Catch you on the flippin' side.







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